Training - Wednesday 14th November, 2012 Welcome Chris Dawes

[stinga81 210]

I know actions speak louder than words, but was impressed with his presser. Good head on his shoulders and speaks really well.

Looking forward to seeing how goes on the park next season.

Studying law I think, he may end up working with rampaging Ray Finklestein post career.

[Hannibal 5,814]

Birchall never had the burden of expectation as being a future champion KPF...

What's that got to do with courage in the air, or putting your body on the line ? It didn't effect Riewoldt. There's no doubt that courage can be improved and I hope he works very hard on this aspect of his play. Some players naturally have it and some have to work hard at it. It has nothing to do with your draft pick number.

[McQueen 17,867]

What's that got to do with courage in the air, or putting your body on the line ? It didn't effect Riewoldt. There's no doubt that courage can be improved and I hope he works very hard on this aspect of his play. Some players naturally have it and some have to work hard at it. It has nothing to do with your draft pick number.

The expectation of Watts was to be that pack splitting monster we all dreamt about - not the rebounding defender he's basically playing now. For that reason, JW will always be more closely scrutinised for his efforts in the air or over the ball. Birchall has never had that.

Watts has had courageous plays. I don't believe it's a problem with his ticker but more one of confidence.

[Guest José Mourinho]

I do not think the popular opinion of Watts is that his kick ass and is going to be an AA next year. But carry on...

HE'S

...

Its no skin off my back.

If you want to settle and say good things about Watts then go ahead but as far as I am concerned he has not nearly performed well enough to warrant him being taken at #1 over his 4 years so far.

We have been ladder dwellers for half a decade.

Some more classic minced metaphors!

[binman 44,123]

The expectation of Watts was to be that pack splitting monster we all dreamt about - not the rebounding defender he's basically playing now. For that reason, JW will always be more closely scrutinised for his efforts in the air or over the ball. Birchall has never had that.

Watts has had courageous plays. I don't believe it's a problem with his ticker but more one of confidence.

I dispute the idea that Watts lacks courage in the air, or courage full stop.

He was one of the best intercept marks in the league last year and that sort of mark requires two types of courage. One, it can mean dropping into a hole or going back with the flight (which he didn't shy away from) and risks getting collected.

Two, as he and the club pointed out several times he was rarely used as a spare man, he almost always had a man to cover. leaving your man to attempt an intercept mark takes courage because it is very risky and can make a player look foolish when their opponent gets an easy kick in the forward line because they have been left free.

Edit: McQueen, i wasn't suggesting you claim Watts lack courage, i agree with your post i quoted

Edited November 15, 2012 by binman

[olisik 4,060]

HE'S

Some more classic minced metaphors!

eh?

quoting me on things from yesterday? I am guessing you are waiting for a truck.

[rpfc 28,832]

eh?

quoting me on things from yesterday? I am guessing you are waiting for a truck.

Maybe you don't have skin on your back, because you seem a tad sensitive to any comment made on an internet forum of anonymous posters.

Edited November 15, 2012 by rpfc

[olisik 4,060]

Maybe you don't have skin on your back, because you seem a tad sensitive to any comment made on an internet forum of anonymous posters.

?

How did me asking if he was waiting for a truck make you come to that conclusion?

[Hannibal 5,814]

The expectation of Watts was to be that pack splitting monster we all dreamt about -

No. It wasn't.

[Hannibal 5,814]

I dispute the idea that Watts lacks courage in the air, or courage full stop.

No disrespect, but that's a massive indictment on you.

[DeeZee 7,445]

This site seems to be divided between Watts supporters and Watts bashers.

Fact is he led the league in intercepts in the 2 month period he was playing without injury last season.

Fact is he has taken more marks kicks and Handballs so far in his carreer than Natanui and Hurley,who he is constantly compared to.

Fact is he is a year youngerthan both of them, and infinitely more skilled.

As an effectively 3rd year player he is the second most efficient by foot at the whole club.

He will fill out, only still a kid really.

Lastly, he is here to stay so get used to it , all you so called supporters of the Melbourne football club.

[dpositive 1,767]

Thanks DeeZee

Look forward to the continuation of wattmania

Maybe its a good thing that his every action is so closely analysed. It saves others from scrutiny and can provide an invaluable feedback tool or alternatively can be used as a benchmark tool.

I just like the kid and think that despite the heightened expectation and perhaps even false assessment he is in fact beginning to look like a real asset. I hope we can use his skill and that other teamates can benefit from his accumulation and distribution, and that the coaches can keep him motivated to continue.

[dazzledavey36 55,453]

this is disgraceful! turning a training thread into a jack watts stick to the topic guys ffs!

[olisik 4,060]

this is disgraceful! turning a training thread into a jack watts stick to the topic guys ffs!

JW needs more mongrel, his skills wont get him far until he gets it

[hoopla 418]

this is disgraceful! turning a training thread into a jack watts stick to the topic guys ffs!

Ditto

..............please moderators I went to this thread for info on yesterday's training!!

[dazzledavey36 55,453]

JW needs more mongrel, his skills wont get him far until he gets it

Who gives a [censored] start your own thread about it instead of hijacking this one. Mods please...

[olisik 4,060]

Who gives a [censored] start your own thread about it instead of hijacking this one. Mods please...

Settle down champ.

Their is only so much people can say about training without talking about the players who attend training...

Someone posted a picture of Jack Watts at training hence the discussion.

Edited November 15, 2012 by olisik

[nutbean 8,838]

Lastly, he is here to stay so get used to it , all you so called supporters of the Melbourne football club.

I am a fence sitter (again!!!) on the Watts issue - too young for me to call yet, can see the deficiencies, can't guarantee they will go away, hope they do. But ......................

One thing Neeld has made abundantly clear is that no-one is here to stay and the players better get used to it. He is a man of limited patience and it is even more limited if you dont display certain attributes that are vitally important to him.

[olisik 4,060]

My honest opinion of him is that so far he has not lived up to his #1 pick. Not his fault, BPs fault.

He is talented and skilled yes, got given games on a silver platter from DB.

I hope he does well and I think he really will need to step his game to a new level in 2013 as he will have many players knocking on the door for his spot in the team at half back.

If he slacks off Neeld will drop him to Casey in a heartbeat.

[Undeeterred 3,127]

JW needs more mongrel, his skills wont get him far until he gets it

Now you have confused me. I'm reading your post as 'he's skills wont get him far' and it doesn't make any sense!

See now why spelling be important?

[Dee Fan 3,247]

My honest opinion of him is that so far he has not lived up to his #1 pick. Not his fault, BPs fault.

He is talented and skilled yes, got given games on a silver platter from DB.

I hope he does well and I think he really will need to step his game to a new level in 2013 as he will have many players knocking on the door for his spot in the team at half back.

If he slacks off Neeld will drop him to Casey in a heartbeat.

How many times, and in how many ways do you want to tell everyone on here you don't like Jack Watts? Do you want to know the truth of the matter; no one really cares.

Oilslick doesn't like Jack Watts; there I've said it for you.

[olisik 4,060]

Now you have confused me. I'm reading your post as 'he's skills wont get him far' and it doesn't make any sense!

See now why spelling be important?

Those people getting upset at others for talking about Watts in a training thread are going to have a fit reading posts about spelling and grammar.

[olisik 4,060]

How many times, and in how many ways do you want to tell everyone on here you don't like Jack Watts? Do you want to know the truth of the matter; no one really cares.

Oilslick doesn't like Jack Watts; there I've said it for you.

Cool, putting words in my mouth.

Leave that to the media.

[McQueen 17,867]

No. It wasn't.

It was certainly sold that way by some people.

[stuie 7,374]

Cool, putting words in my mouth.

Leave that to the media.

So you DO like him then?

Come on mate, put the teenage tantrums away.