Maybe it's not a risk and it won't get any worse, but it just won't get much better?

I'm not a doctor...

Premature captaincy rearing it's ugly head perhaps?

I'm sure if he is injured the club would either manage it or rest him. We did a lot of distance running pre season maybe he needs a good sprint coach to get his speed up it could be something as simple as that.

Whatever it is he needs a rest. He's painfully slow and he cant kick passed 30 metres.

I think he's injured and opposition clubs know it. Carlton really took him on today and exposed him.

Soo sad to see because he's my favourite player and I thought he showed a lot in his first two seasons. I don't think even the MFC make someone captain for no reason. Is painfully slow and can't kick more than 30 metres. Reminds me so much of Luke Ball playing when he had OP.

He may well not be injured at all ... quite a scary thought.

Soo sad to see because he's my favourite player and I thought he showed a lot in his first two seasons. I don't think even the MFC make someone captain for no reason. Is painfully slow and can't kick more than 30 metres. Reminds me so much of Luke Ball playing when he had OP.

The Luke Ball analogy is certainly a possibility: but Neeld and Missen should recognize that and get on with doing something about it, surely, rather than running him into the ground in meaningless matches.

He needs to be 100 pc for next year - think and look ahead.

He may well not be injured at all ... quite a scary thought.

Now that is very scary: we got rid of Brock largely because he was so slow, and now he burns off Jack.

I thought he was good in the 3rd qtr yesterday. So many players are struggling at the moment. Some can't get the footy like Trenners and Beamer then some that get it just butcher it.

It's not just Trengove though - can't remember who, but Watts got burnt off by someone he shouldn't too, and it wasn't from lack of desire. He was trying to get there.

I think it's got a lot to do with the players getting smashed in training during the week still.

The load on their legs means by the 3rd quarter they are dead out there.

Didn't Neil Craig experiment with smashing his players at training during the season, then easing off sonthey were fresh for finals?

I've got a feeling we'll be very fresh for our much easier run in the second half of the season.

It's not just Trengove though - can't remember who, but Watts got burnt off by someone he shouldn't too, and it wasn't from lack of desire. He was trying to get there.

I think it's got a lot to do with the players getting smashed in training during the week still.

The load on their legs means by the 3rd quarter they are dead out there.

Didn't Neil Craig experiment with smashing his players at training during the season, then easing off sonthey were fresh for finals?

I've got a feeling we'll be very fresh for our much easier run in the second half of the season.

Trengove had two touches to half time. Couldn't get near it.

I know, I was talking about the players as a collective.

I think Trengove may be carrying an injury, but I think the list as a whole has a large load on their legs at the moment too.

If he is injured, I would hope he will be shut down soon. Not worth the risk and it would be good to see who on the rookie list can play the Neeld game style.

I can assure you from a 110% reliable source that Trengove has been

carrying an injury all season. (I didn't ask what it was)

That's assuming there's a risk.

I'll back the medical dept to know what they're doing.

He is part of the midfield problem at the moment. Unable to spread, unable to get clear and unable to run both ways. He really should be rested.

If injured, don't play him.

Soo sad to see because he's my favourite player and I thought he showed a lot in his first two seasons. I don't think even the MFC make someone captain for no reason. Is painfully slow and can't kick more than 30 metres. Reminds me so much of Luke Ball playing when he had OP.

Runs like he has OP at the moment.

Despite this he nearly took a speccy .

There is something wrong with his pace-he needs a rest.

He may well not be injured at all ... quite a scary thought.

Missed some of the NAB cup - he has had or is having issues.

I am not worried about it - we all know he is better than what the has shown and we all know he has more power than what he has shown - if he is playing than the club don't think it is degenerative.

He had a good, tough second half with 12 touches, that was heartening and hopefully he can contribute more from here on in.

I accept that in all probability he has an injury, which is curtailing his output. But I also don't like the role he's presently playing. In his first two years Trengove played instinctive footy. He hunted the ball at stoppages. Now he hunts the man at stoppages and the ball is a secondary consideration. I can only assume that it's part of the broader plan to teach him accountability and the defensive aspects of modern footy.

I'd like to see the shackles taken off.

I can assure you from a 110% reliable source that Trengove has been

carrying an injury all season. (I didn't ask what it was)

Yep, I've heard the same.

It's official. Trengove is slooow! No line breaker thats for sure. I hope it's an injury that he can recover from in due course. But the signs are not good particularly when you are burnt off by McLean.

Blease on the other hand was impressive and will gain confidence from his performance. He did similar things towards the end of last season. He will be encouraged to take the game on.

One thing for sure, we didn't miss Sylvia or Davey. At least our team had a go this week and we were probably spared seeing Sylvia kissing and hugging McLean at the end of the game.

He's been like this all year. Reeks of OP to me. He has no power in his running, can't accelerate, and can't kick. Hallmarks of OP.

If he can't run, he shouldn't be playing. He's not influencing games at all. Can't actually think of any game where he's been at his best.

He's been like this all year. Reeks of OP to me. He has no power in his running, can't accelerate, and can't kick. Hallmarks of OP.

If he can't run, he shouldn't be playing. He's not influencing games at all. Can't actually think of any game where he's been at his best.

Agree with your former point, that kick the other week for me from him lining up from 35-40m out was very unusual which lacked penetration and triggered my thoughts on OP.

He could still close in on McLean, but it is evident that he is lacking some power. If he does have symptoms of OP, I would be resting him.

Agree with your former point, that kick the other week for me from him lining up from 35-40m out was very unusual which lacked penetration and triggered my thoughts on OP.

Yeah I remember that kick. I can't remember which game it was (St Kilda, maybe), where he took that set shot from 40 metres out and it went all of about 25. But he's been running slowly/with no acceleration since Round 1. It's been frustrating, sad, and disappointing all at once.