36, 52 & 54

[Carlos Danger 380]

So how does it work out we get 3 selections in the national draft? Did someone get added to the veteran list?

Scully, Warnock and Maric left the senior list but we gained Clark. That's 2 senior spots.

[45HG 1,539]

So how does it work out we get 3 selections in the national draft? Did someone get added to the veteran list?

Scully, Warnock and Maric left the senior list but we gained Clark. That's 2 senior spots.

Is Aussie being moved to the Rookie list?

[Jordie_tackles 354]

We don't need to change the list up until closer to the draft.

I guess Neeld will want to see certain players in person, training etc.

[mauriesy 7,265]

So how does it work out we get 3 selections in the national draft? Did someone get added to the veteran list?

Scully, Warnock and Maric left the senior list but we gained Clark. That's 2 senior spots.

List lodgement today has ...

Out: Maric, Wonaeamirri, Scully, Warnock (plus rookies Campbell, Johnston, McNamara and Newton)

In: Clark

That's all we need to do for the draft (3 picks)

[The Third Eye 259]

There is another list lodgement before the draft.

How does that work?

Can you delist more players then?

[sylvinator 96]

OK, so instead of starting another thread 'draft needs' i thought I'd post it here.

I've analysed our list pre-national and rookie drafts to figure out the holes that need to be filled in our list.

Our best 18 imo:

Garland Frawley Grimes

Blease Rivers Tapscott

Davey Moloney Sylvia

Howe Watts Petterd

Green Clarke Jurrah

Jamar Trengove McKenzie

Int: Martin, Jones, Gysberts, Morton, Bail, Bennel, Strauss

Depth: Bate (Flanker), Dunn (Flanker), Bartram (Back Flanker), Jetta (Mid), Macdonald (Back Flanker), Spenser (Ruck)

Developing KPPs: Cook (KPF), Gawn (Ruck), Davis (KPD), Fizpatrick (Ruck/KPF), Mcdonald (KPD)

Rookies: Evans, Nicholson, Lawrence

I see the holes in our list as follows:

1. We need a genuine crumbing small forward. Only one on our list is Lawrence who is super speculative.

2. We need a genuine stopping back pocket who focuses on negating small forwards- i.e. strong defensively. We currently have none who can do this naturally- blease, grimes, tapscott and strauss should all be playing rebounding roles or midfield roles

3. We need a genuine tagger, not a makeshift one (ala Bail or Jones)

4. CLASS IN THE MIDFIELD

Note what we do have: we have good ruck stocks. With the addition of Clarke and the KPPs we have developing, our Key Forwards and Key Defenders actually look pretty solid now as well. We have plenty of flankers and have drafted a bunch of rebounding defenders.

So...

The first 3 'needs' are role players, whilst not the most important players in the team, we are clearly lacking them. These 3 should be focused on in this years draft and rookie draft, since we have average draft picks and role players can ussually be found around 30s-50s.

If we can find a great tagger, small forward n small defender this year, next years draft can all be about adding class to the midfield. Viney + 2 first round compo picks used on midfielders (adding 3 midfielders to our current crop) OR Viney + trade our compo picks for a star midfielder.

Thoughts

[Lutz 76]

I wouldn't even bother including for consideration Green, Davey, Rivers... Maybe Jamar and Moloney too.

You draft for the next 10 years.

[Lutz 76]

As to point 2, pretend we had to trade the compo picks for a small defender and anyone was on the table - who would you choose?

There aren't many elite small negating defenders getting around.

Who is Geelong's? Or Collingwood's?

I don't think it's as much of a need as is perceived.

Do we continually get burnt by small forwards we can't contain?

I don't think so.

[sylvinator 96]

As to point 2, pretend we had to trade the compo picks for a small defender and anyone was on the table - who would you choose?

There aren't many elite small negating defenders getting around.

Who is Geelong's? Or Collingwood's?

I don't think it's as much of a need as is perceived.

Do we continually get burnt by small forwards we can't contain?

I don't think so.

You're right, the back pocket and tagger is a role player. Won't get the accolades and definitely shouldn't use a compensation pick to get one... but imo it's still a hole in our side nonetheless.

StKilda's Sean Dempster came 3rd in their B&F this year

Geelong has Josh Hunt, who is an important player in their line up

Collingwood have Toovey, who is a very important cog in the collingwood team

Really good defensive players are important to team balance and every team needs some. We don't have any.

[Lutz 76]

I don't agree that we don't have any.

[Redleg 40,858]

Collingwood have Toovey, who is a very important cog in the collingwood team

Not according to the Pies, they tried desperately to trade him and he could even have been delisted if Davis stayed and he had stuck to his pay demands.

[jayceebee31 759]

Not according to the Pies, they tried desperately to trade him and he could even have been delisted if Davis stayed and he had stuck to his pay demands.

Redders, that is not accurate, Toovey wanted more money and did a deal before Davis said he wanted out.However, understand your point. What we need is a steady half back flanker- I think we have two- Davis, will be a very solid HBF,who can look after the talls or mids, whilst I feel Bail could become a very solid HBF.or BP,looking after the smalls.

[Redleg 40,858]

Redders, that is not accurate, Toovey wanted more money and did a deal before Davis said he wanted out.However, understand your point.

Have reread what I said and it is accurate. Toovey was shopped around. Pies knew for a while before it was reported that Davis was gone. Still needed to reduce salary cap pressure. Toovey took less than he wanted and he was kept. McCarthy was let go and McCaffer was also kept after renegotiating. If Davis had stayed I am sure Toovey or McCaffer was gone.

What I was trying to get at was that clearly the Pies don't see Toovey as a must keep.

[jayceebee31 759]

Have reread what I said and it is accurate. Toovey was shopped around. Pies knew for a while before it was reported that Davis was gone. Still needed to reduce salary cap pressure. Toovey took less than he wanted and he was kept. McCarthy was let go and McCaffer was also kept after renegotiating. If Davis had stayed I am sure Toovey or McCaffer was gone.

What I was trying to get at was that clearly the Pies don't see Toovey as a must keep.

Get your point- however wanted him more than McCaffer

[Redleg 40,858]

Get your point- however wanted him more than McCaffer

Agree. I think I read somewhere that McCaffer has a fairly serious injury that he was struggling with.

Edited November 6, 2011 by Redleg

[The Great One 99 125]

SNOOP DOG'S PHANTOM DRAFT 2011 - ROUND THREE

# 52 Melbourne - Sam Kerridge (Bendigo / 188 / 83 / 93)

Was very highly rated coming into this years draft and was one who probably didn’t quite live up to expectations through the year. IN saying that he certainly had a pretty good end to the season and was rewarded with a couple of senior games where he performed really well. Tall athletic sort of player who accumulates the footy and has a fair bit of class.

AFL Comparison – Michael Barlow

Roughie – Still think they could do with a tall fwd or defender here and there are a number of reasonably rated one left.

There is a write up about this bloke in todays paper. Sounds like a nice type, and a good attitude. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/months-of-adversity-harden-kerridges-resolve-to-reach-top-flight/story-e6frf9jf-1226186602883

Does anyone know any more about him?

[daisycutter 29,605]

For all you stats freaks

When was the last time our first pick in the ND was as low(high?) as 36?

[13thflag 0]

2000, 2001 ?

[daisycutter 29,605]

For all you stats freaks

When was the last time our first pick in the ND was as low(high?) as 36?

Well I did some research

There has been 4 VFL drafts1986 to 1989. After that it was all AFL national drafts

We have never had as low a 1st pick as 36 (in fact not even close), so in theory this will be our worst ND ever.

I will post later with all our draft picks since 1986 (some very interesting names) and also trades

[Mad_Melbourne 877]

very very very wishfull thinking, but hoping elliot kavanagh will slip through, he has been injured so its half a chance, but very wishful!

[daisycutter 29,605]

National Drafts, Trades, PreSeason Drafts, MidSeason Drafts since the beginning

Lots of answers to all those Trivia questions (highest pick, most picks in a draft, highest 1st round pick.....etc)

1986 VFL [3] StephenFebey [16] MatthewFebey [29] Craig Walker [55] Darren Jarman

1987 VFL [11] Tim McNeil [24] Mark Ducker [37] Andrew Obst [50] Stephen Tingay [63] Jay Viney

1988 VFL [13] Darren Bennett [27] Rod Keogh [41] Michael Hobbes [69] Matthew Mahoney [83] Brian Stynes [97] Tom Grehan [111] Tom Kavanagh [PSD 13] Dannie Seow [PSD 27] James Tomkins [PSD 41] Michael Atkins [PSD 55] Matthew Febey

1989 VFL [25] Paul Rouvray [57] Tim Moreland [71] Glenn Wilkins [PSD 17] Stuart Cameron[PSD 31] Scott Williamson [PSD 45] Robert Hickmott [PSD 53] Melbourne [MIDYR 12] Jamie Duursma [MIDYR 25] Peter Van Der Meer [MIDYR 35] Paul Hogarth [MIDYR 42] David Morrison

1990 AFL TRADE Paul Bryce Phil Egan Rod Owen [6] Allen Jakovich [19] Gary Merritt [63] Fabian Francis [75] Robert Panozza [77] Niall Buckley [PSD 17] Nick Sebo [PSD 23] Leigh Capsalis [PSD 33] Kevin Dyson [PSD 48] George Gorozidis

1991 AFL TRADE Michael Pickering [3] Darren Kowal [5] Jason Norrish [10] Andrew Lamprill [19] Phil Gilbert [23] Mathew McKay [31] Hayden Kilmartin [32] Micah Berry [36] Jason Dullard [40] Nick White [PSD 11] Wayne Henwood [PSD25] Andy Goodwin [PSD 39] Ben Judd [PSD 50] Cristian O'Brien

1992 AFL TRADE Adrian Campbell [9] Martin Pike [24] Brett Jeffrey [39] Matthew Kluzek [53] Mathew Moon North [54] Daniel Clark [69] Scott Simister [84] Damien Gaspar [99] Jeff Hilton [122] Damon Munt [FS] Glenn Molloy Bradley Campbell [MIDYR 2] Greg Doyle [PSD 9] Glenn Freeborn [PSD 25] Ivan Bartul [PSD 39] Mathew McKay [PSD 53] Paul Prymke

1993 AFL TRADE Paul Ridley [10] Trent Ormond-Allen [27] Brad Hall [42] Michael Prentice [MIDYR 5] Brett Evans [PSD 11] Dean Irving [PSD 26] John Carroll

1994 AFL TRADE Jeff Farmer Marcus Seecamp [16] Adam Yze [34] Michael Polley [51] Clay Sampson [68] Luke Norman [76] Todd McHardy [PSD 14} Shaun Smith [PSD 28] Martin Heppell

1995 AFL TRADE David Grant Anthony Ingerson Craig Turley [11] Donald Cockatoo-Collins [55] Mark Bradly [60] Darren O'Brien [72] Ashley Gehling [PSD 2] Craig Nettelbeck [PSD 10] Andrew Leoncelli

1996 AFL TRADE Nick Pesch [11] Brent Grgic [22] Alistair Nicholson [30] Hayden Lamaro [45] Clayton Gardiner [59] Anthony McDonald [68] Russell Robertson [75] Mark Winterton [82] Duncan O'Toole [83] Ashley Gehling [PSD 3] Leigh Newton [PSD 13] Robert Pyman [PSD 18] Shane Woewodin

1997 AFL TRADE ? [1] Travis Johnstone [22] Troy Longmuir [39] Matthew Blake [50] Luke Ottens [66] Nathan Brown [77] Guy Rigoni [PSD 1] Jamie Shanahan

1998 AFL TRADE Scott Chisholm Nick Carter [13] Chris Lamb [60] Luke Speers [72] Luke Taylor [PSD 9] Troy Simmonds

1999 AFL TRADE Stephen Powell [19] Brad Green [20] Paul Wheatley [42] Michael Clark [50] Matthew Whelan [63] Shannon O'Brien [64] Cameron Bruce [PSD 3] James Cook [PSD 11] Steven Pitt [PSD 14] Simon Godfrey

2000 AFL TRADE Nil [16] Scott Thompson [62] Daniel Breese [73] Ross Funcke [80] Mitchell Craig [PSD 10] Nick Gill

2001 AFL TRADE Clint Bizzell Craig Ellis Peter Vardy [9] Luke Molan [25] Steven Armstrong [26] Aaron Rogers [55] Brad Miller [

2002 AFL TRADE Chris Heffernan [14] Daniel Bell [15] Nicholas Smith [26] Jared Rivers [39] Gary Moorcroft [54] Cameron Hunter [66] Ryan Ferguson [PSD 5] Guy Rigoni [ROOK 11] Adam Fisher [R 27] Dale Carson [R 43] Ezra Poyas [R 56] Nathan Carroll [R 65] Michael Clark

2003 AFL TRADE Ben Holland [3] Colin Sylvia [5] Brock McLean [36] Chris Johnson [PSD 3] Phillip Read

2004 AFL TRADE Paul Johnson Brent Moloney [13] Matthew Bate [15] Lynden Dunn [43] Michael Newton

2005 AFL TRADE Byron Pickett [12] Nathan Jones [53] Simon Buckley [60] Clint Bartram [68] Heath Neville [R 9] Jace Bode [R 25] Daniel Hughes [R 39] Shane Neaves

2006 AFL TRADE Nil [12] James Frawley [30] Ricky Petterd [46] Colin Garland [62] Isaac Weetra [R 12] Daniel Hayes

2007 AFL TRADE John Meesen [4] Cale Morton [14] Jack Grimes [21] Addam Maric [53] Kyle Cheney [PSD 3] Stefan Martin [R 3] Trent Zomer [R 19] Austin Wonaeamirri

2008 AFL TRADE Nil [1] Jack Watts [17] Sam Blease [35] Jamie Bennell [51] Neville Jetta [64] Rohan Bail [PSD 1] Liam Jurrah [R 1] Jordie McKenzie [R 17] Rhys Healey [R 33] Daniel Hughes

2009 AFL TRADE Nil [1] Tom Scully [2] Jack Trengove [11] Jordan Gysberts [18] Luke Tapscott [34] Max Gawn [50] Jack Fitzpatrick [PSD 1] Joel Macdonald [R

2010 AFL TRADE Nil [12] Lucas Cook [33] Jeremy Howe [50] Troy Davis [53] Tom McDonald [R 14] Daniel Nicholson [R 31] Michael Evans [R 48] Kelvin Lawrence [R 68] Cameron Johnston [R 75] Robert Campbell

Can't find all the Rookie Drafts - anyone know where?

Edited November 8, 2011 by daisycutter

[Disco Demons 92]

Well I did some research

There has been 4 VFL drafts1986 to 1989. After that it was all AFL national drafts

We have never had as low a 1st pick as 36 (in fact not even close), so in theory this will be our worst ND ever.

I will post later with all our draft picks since 1986 (some very interesting names) and also trades

even though we have high picks...I don't think it's unreasonable to expect one or two players we pickup from this years draft to play next year.

Jeremy Howe was taken pick #33 and Tom McDonald #53. Both have made successful debuts.

happy days.

[daisycutter 29,605]

even though we have high picks...I don't think it's unreasonable to expect one or two players we pickup from this years draft to play next year.

Jeremy Howe was taken pick #33 and Tom McDonald #53. Both have made successful debuts.

happy days.

yes, fingers crossed and all that

[boydie 655]

Wow, we selected Darren Jarman and he chose to stay in SA. Didn't know we picked him nor could you refuse to go to the club.

[dee-luded 2,959]

National Drafts, Trades, PreSeason Drafts, MidSeason Drafts since the beginning

Lots of answers to all those Trivia questions (highest pick, most picks in a draft, highest 1st round pick.....etc)

1986 VFL [3] StephenFebey [16] MatthewFebey [29] Craig Walker [55] Darren Jarman

1987 VFL [11] Tim McNeil [24] Mark Ducker [37] Andrew Obst [50] Stephen Tingay [63] Jay Viney

1988 VFL [13] Darren Bennett [27] Rod Keogh [41] Michael Hobbes [69] Matthew Mahoney [83] Brian Stynes [97] Tom Grehan [111] Tom Kavanagh [PSD 13] Dannie Seow [PSD 27] James Tomkins [PSD 41] Michael Atkins [PSD 55] Matthew Febey

1989 VFL [25] Paul Rouvray [57] Tim Moreland [71] Glenn Wilkins [PSD 17] Stuart Cameron[PSD 31] Scott Williamson [PSD 45] Robert Hickmott [PSD 53] Melbourne [MIDYR 12] Jamie Duursma [MIDYR 25] Peter Van Der Meer [MIDYR 35] Paul Hogarth [MIDYR 42] David Morrison

1990 AFL TRADE Paul Bryce Phil Egan Rod Owen [6] Allen Jakovich [19] Gary Merritt [63] Fabian Francis [75] Robert Panozza [77] Niall Buckley [PSD 17] Nick Sebo [PSD 23] Leigh Capsalis [PSD 33] Kevin Dyson [PSD 48] George Gorozidis

1991 AFL TRADE Michael Pickering [3] Darren Kowal [5] Jason Norrish [10] Andrew Lamprill [19] Phil Gilbert [23] Mathew McKay [31] Hayden Kilmartin [32] Micah Berry [36] Jason Dullard [40] Nick White [PSD 11] Wayne Henwood [PSD25] Andy Goodwin [PSD 39] Ben Judd [PSD 50] Cristian O'Brien

1992 AFL TRADE Adrian Campbell [9] Martin Pike [24] Brett Jeffrey [39] Matthew Kluzek [53] Mathew Moon North [54] Daniel Clark [69] Scott Simister [84] Damien Gaspar [99] Jeff Hilton [122] Damon Munt [MIDYR 2] Greg Doyle [PSD 9] Glenn Freeborn [PSD 25] Ivan Bartul [PSD 39] Mathew McKay [PSD 53] Paul Prymke

1993 AFL TRADE ? [10] Trent Ormond-Allen [27] Brad Hall [42] Michael Prentice [MIDYR 5] Brett Evans [PSD 11] Dean Irving [PSD 26] John Carroll

1994 AFL TRADE ? [16] Adam Yze [34] Michael Polley [51] Clay Sampson [68] Luke Norman [76] Todd McHardy [PSD 14} Shaun Smith [PSD 28] Martin Heppell

1995 AFL TRADE ? [11] Donald Cockatoo-Collins [55] Mark Bradly [60] Darren O'Brien [72] Ashley Gehling [PSD 2] Craig Nettelbeck [PSD 10] Andrew Leoncelli

1996 AFL TRADE Nick Pesch [11] Brent Grgic [22] Alistair Nicholson [30] Hayden Lamaro [45] Clayton Gardiner [59] Anthony McDonald [68] Russell Robertson [75] Mark Winterton [82] Duncan O'Toole [83] Ashley Gehling [PSD 3] Leigh Newton [PSD 13] Robert Pyman [PSD 18] Shane Woewodin

1997 AFL TRADE ? [1] Travis Johnstone [22] Troy Longmuir [39] Matthew Blake [50] Luke Ottens [66] Nathan Brown [77] Guy Rigoni [PSD 1] Jamie Shanahan

1998 AFL TRADE Scott Chisholm Nick Carter [13] Chris Lamb [60] Luke Speers [72] Luke Taylor [PSD 9] Troy Simmonds

1999 AFL TRADE Stephen Powell [19] Brad Green [20] Paul Wheatley [42] Michael Clark [50] Matthew Whelan [63] Shannon O'Brien [64] Cameron Bruce [PSD 3] James Cook [PSD 11] Steven Pitt [PSD 14] Simon Godfrey

2000 AFL TRADE Nil [16] Scott Thompson [62] Daniel Breese [73] Ross Funcke [80] Mitchell Craig [PSD 10] Nick Gill

2001 AFL TRADE Clint Bizzell Craig Ellis Peter Vardy [9] Luke Molan [25] Steven Armstrong [26] Aaron Rogers [55] Brad Miller [

2002 AFL TRADE Chris Heffernan [14] Daniel Bell [15] Nicholas Smith [26] Jared Rivers [39] Gary Moorcroft [54] Cameron Hunter [66] Ryan Ferguson [PSD 5] Guy Rigoni [ROOK 11] Adam Fisher [R 27] Dale Carson [R 43] Ezra Poyas [R 56] Nathan Carroll [R 65] Michael Clark

2003 AFL TRADE Ben Holland [3] Colin Sylvia [5] Brock McLean [36] Chris Johnson [PSD 3] Phillip Read

2004 AFL TRADE Paul Johnson Brent Moloney [13] Matthew Bate [15] Lynden Dunn [43] Michael Newton

2005 AFL TRADE Byron Pickett [12] Nathan Jones [53] Simon Buckley [60] Clint Bartram [68] Heath Neville [R 9] Jace Bode [R 25] Daniel Hughes [R 39] Shane Neaves

2006 AFL TRADE Nil [12] James Frawley [30] Ricky Petterd [46] Colin Garland [62] Isaac Weetra [R 12] Daniel Hayes

2007 AFL TRADE John Meesen [4] Cale Morton [14] Jack Grimes [21] Addam Maric [53] Kyle Cheney [PSD 3] Stefan Martin [R 3] Trent Zomer [R 19] Austin Wonaeamirri

2008 AFL TRADE Nil [1] Jack Watts [17] Sam Blease [35] Jamie Bennell [51] Neville Jetta [64] Rohan Bail [PSD 1] Liam Jurrah [R 1] Jordie McKenzie [R 17] Rhys Healey [R 33] Daniel Hughes

2009 AFL TRADE Nil [1] Tom Scully [2] Jack Trengove [11] Jordan Gysberts [18] Luke Tapscott [34] Max Gawn [50] Jack Fitzpatrick [PSD 1] Joel Macdonald [R

2010 AFL TRADE Nil [12] Lucas Cook [33] Jeremy Howe [50] Troy Davis [53] Tom McDonald [R 14] Daniel Nicholson [R 31] Michael Evans [R 48] Kelvin Lawrence [R 68] Cameron Johnston [R 75] Robert Campbell

Can't find all the Rookie Drafts - anyone know where?

This list daisy Speaks volumes Daisy.

It says it all really, apart from our nearly non existent player development of the past.