The Travis Tuck Thread

[Lutz 76]

Unfortunately everyone is entitled to an opinion.

[Whispering_Jack 29,812]

Travis Tuck? The 'Iceman'? Come on. Any player who has the talent to play at the top level and throws it away by using is a complete idiot. We have had great luck in unearthing talent via the rookie list that may have missed their chance due to an injury or bad luck. But instead we look at a guy who had his chance but wasted it by shooting up and not putting in the hard yards on the track.

Don't get me wrong, I hope he gets his life back on track and finds a way to enjoy footy and perhaps even make a career out of it again. I just don't think it should be at the expense of one of our rookie list spots.

Fair go. He is getting his life back on track having overcome clinical depression. His former VFL coach has recommended him to the club after he played a season at his club. I think he deserves to be trusted for a try out in the same way as any other prospective draftee who comes down for those three or four weeks.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Sewell has multiple B&F wins at VFL standard and a BOG, maybe 2 in GF's, can't see that type of accolade on Tucks list of achievements

Yes Sewell has got alot of VFL accolade, as i said though he isnt recommended to us from a previous Coach of his, His U18's *coach is development coach at the Dogs (Chris Maple) and has been for 3 years now, when Sewell has dominated, havnt seen the dogs even ask him to train, this says it all to me. I have mentioned why Myles (i man i actual quite admire) as i went through high school with him, although not being close friends with him. Myles is a greta player who deserves a chance, although it seems his disposal and speed maybe decision making hold him back from this....

Tuck has shown similar form this year 4th is not to be sneezed at in the Liston, has been on a list if not for his indiscretion may well still be, and i believe has less limitations stopping him from taking the next step. We cannot ignore our new coaches when they give us leads like this, im sure he knows Travis well and his demeanor outside of the game, effort he puts in, desire to get back playing AFL and more importantly his ability to play football and serve the MFC.

Also everyone saying he is the "Iceman" ect get a life, people make mistakes, and most deserve a second chance in life, im sure you have never been perfect, quite i poor showing imo.

Edited October 23, 2011 by Jordie_tackles

[ox_5 163]

I would be more than happy to give him a crack.

If the draft is as shallow as rumoured then no harm in giving him a rookie spot if he earns it.

[deeflog 679]

I would be more than happy to give him a crack.

If the draft is as shallow as rumoured then no harm in giving him a rookie spot if he earns it.

did you do this deliberately or was it a purely innocent, i couldn't help but chuckle when i read it

[ox_5 163]

did you do this deliberately or was it a purely innocent, i couldn't help but chuckle when i read it

Was going to put the no pun intended disclaimer but thought it would be of more entertainment value if i left it out.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

If he's clean, if he can play, if he's committed and if the new assistant coach recommends him why not. Tight contract to let him know we won't accept any crap and let's see what he's got.

If we can help a kid get his life back together and give him a second chance then we should.

Yeah, yeah I know we're not a charity etc.

[Adzman 2,154]

Yes Sewell has got alot of VFL accolade, as i said though he isnt recommended to us from a previous Coach of his, His U18's *coach is development coach at the Dogs (Chris Maple) and has been for 3 years now, when Sewell has dominated, havnt seen the dogs even ask him to train, this says it all to me. I have mentioned why Myles (i man i actual quite admire) as i went through high school with him, although not being close friends with him. Myles is a greta player who deserves a chance, although it seems his disposal and speed maybe decision making hold him back from this....

Tuck has shown similar form this year 4th is not to be sneezed at in the Liston, has been on a list if not for his indiscretion may well still be, and i believe has less limitations stopping him from taking the next step. We cannot ignore our new coaches when they give us leads like this, im sure he knows Travis well and his demeanor outside of the game, effort he puts in, desire to get back playing AFL and more importantly his ability to play football and serve the MFC.

Also everyone saying he is the "Iceman" ect get a life, people make mistakes, and most deserve a second chance in life, im sure you have never been perfect, quite i poor showing imo.

Get a life? I find in odd that when you have a conflicting view on here people decide they will target you. If he wasn't an AFL footballer he would not be given the same compassion let me tell you. I am all for second chances in life, but this is football and it is all business!

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Get a life? I find in odd that when you have a conflicting view on here people decide they will target you. If he wasn't an AFL footballer he would not be given the same compassion let me tell you. I am all for second chances in life, but this is football and it is all business!

Conflicting views, or disrespecting someone who is making their best attempt to get where he wants in life after a major mistake he made,

It was the latter,

No issues with differing views, it is what a forum is for, simply add some value to an argument rather than taking pot shots at someone from your keyboard, i didnt see one true reason other than, he was on drugs once and now he never gets a look in

[Lutz 76]

I think you need to delve beyond the simple drug abuse and look at the cause for it.

The kid was clinically depressed and wasn't getting much help from the club on it, because they didn't even know.

I think he's now in a much better position for a club to give him a support network and the understanding to help him succeed.

There's no doubting he is talented, and for a rookie pick he's worth the punt.

[DeeSpencer 25,489]

I think you need to delve beyond the simple drug abuse and look at the cause for it.

The kid was clinically depressed and wasn't getting much help from the club on it, because they didn't even know.

I think he's now in a much better position for a club to give him a support network and the understanding to help him succeed.

There's no doubting he is talented, and for a rookie pick he's worth the punt.

Yep I agree with this. If (as it has been reported) the drug use was all secondary to depression, and if his depression has been adequately treated (no point picking someone up who will have ongoing problems) then he's worth a shot.

We are way short on midfielders and just because we'll have Viney coming in soon doesn't mean we shouldn't look at someone like Tuck.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

I am openly a fan to this happening,

Mainly because good players will be hard to come by, especially at pick 74 or so this draft. If he is picked by Melbourne then he must have shown signs he will add to out list even as depth during 2012/13. He comes with endorsements from one of our current coaches.

If he doesnt fit the above categories he wont be recruited simple,

Also he only has permission to train so it may only be a vague interest atm anyway, nothing conrete

[monoccular 17,413]

Why not, IF MN has had the heart to heart with him and believes that he can stay clean and contribute.

I think we should put our trust in our new list managers and coaching staff.

[Spirit of the Demon 249]

No show or not ready to go?

[ox_5 163]

You need permission to train with an AFL club. If this is indeed in the works, then it will need to be finalised with the AFL.

[Viney Vidi Vici 145]

In comparing him to other delisted players that will presumably be available in the PSD, I'd be quite happy to see him picked up. Happier than I was after Macdonald was picked up.

[DemonWA 3,932]

I cant believe that he gets a potential "second chance" after allready having 3 strikes (chances).

If we're happy to consider him, knowing that he was/is a recrational drung user, then why not give Fev a chance too?

[Jordie_tackles 354]

I cant believe that he gets a potential "second chance" after allready having 3 strikes (chances).

If we're happy to consider him, knowing that he was/is a recrational drung user, then why not give Fev a chance too?

He has never been labelled as a recreational user of drugs; all of his drug taking has been put down to clinical depression whether this is right or not.

Being that they assume he wouldn't be using unless he was depressed.

Policy helped Tuck's depression diagnosis, says Anderson

[DemonWA 3,932]

Fev also cited depression as the root of a lot of his issues, but people are worried about the damage he could have on a club?

Why different with Tuck?

And if VFL form counts for so much, why not get Valenti back on board?!

[ox_5 163]

I cant believe that he gets a potential "second chance" after allready having 3 strikes (chances).

If we're happy to consider him, knowing that he was/is a recrational drung user, then why not give Fev a chance too?

I can't decide whether this is a anti-Tuck post or a pro-Fev post, or both?

Fev has been a serial DH at two clubs. You can't compare the two.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Fev also cited depression as the root of a lot of his issues, but people are worried about the damage he could have on a club?

Why different with Tuck?

And if VFL form counts for so much, why not get Valenti back on board?!

Tuck lost his Career over the above mentioned reasons,

Fev lost his career for many many many reasons, mainly being a d1k...i like Fev i think we would be great at alot of clubs, even Melbourne.

Valenti is older, and slower, and unfortunately seems to have had his opportunity. Tuck wasnt delisted due to a lack of talent as such imo, he had alot of baggage which was holding him back, he must have moved forward since then to get Satterly's recommendation.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

I can't decide whether this is a anti-Tuck post or a pro-Fev post, or both?

Fev has been a serial DH at two clubs. You can't compare the two.

I actually think it was a "why did we delist Valenti" post, he is as talented as anyone post

[DemonWA 3,932]

it was neither, it was a bored, almost knock off time, post with a hint of devils advocate thrown in for good measure!

though i never really rated valenti, so i dotn see why 4th in the VFL is worth drafting, especially when you throw in the drug use

[Jordie_tackles 354]

it was neither, it was a bored, almost knock off time, post with a hint of devils advocate thrown in for good measure!

though i never really rated valenti, so i dotn see why 4th in the VFL is worth drafting, especially when you throw in the drug use

Fair enough call,

People seem to think we are flat out drafting him at thsi stage though,

It is only a permission to train type thing... along way from draft worthy still

[Goodvibes 3,596]

It seems pretty simple to me. He has to show two things. FIrstly, is the depression and linked drug taking a sad chapter from his past and something he's confident he has under control and secondly, is he an improvement on Jones, McKenzie and Gysberts. Watching Kennedy over the past two seasons in Sydney may be playing too big an influence in my thinking but my gut instinct is that Tuck is worth a shot.