On 08/08/2011 at 10:28, Range Rover said:

All a big charade and a show QueenC. Shadow boxing and feigned anger.

All a bit silly really ... and a tad insulting.

youre not talking about.......Smoke and/or Mirrors ?? surely not

Its a mugs game

  On 08/08/2011 at 10:55, belzebub59 said:

youre not talking about.......Smoke and/or Mirrors ?? surely not

Its a mugs game

I have a feeling not many supporters really care any more anyway.

Rpfc is right ... we have much bigger fish fry.

And dare I say it ... I don't think he's quite as good as the early reports had it.

He's going to be a gun. We are subconsciously preparing for his departure by convincing ourselves that he's not that great...

But you're correct, Tom Scully isn't the club's biggest worry at the moment by a long-shot.

In these difficult times I take solace in Jack Trengove and Jack Watts. That is all.

  On 08/08/2011 at 10:59, Range Rover said:

I have a feeling not many supporters really care any more anyway.

Rpfc is right ... we have much bigger fish fry.

And dare I say it ... I don't think he's quite as good as the early reports had it.

we always did !!! some see him as everything...and hes not. Never was.

He worth keeping..just not at any expense and only with reasonable expectations.

Im inclined to let this fish go and take the compensation and start again, a little wiser etc

youre probably right about the care factor currently ..lol

  On 08/08/2011 at 04:36, Range Rover said:

I expect there will be many posts justifying Tom's departure on anything other than actual real reason .... money.

He will lose heaps of credibility if he goes but money changes everything.

These threads keep seeming to turn into And another thing...

For all those who are now objecting to our approach to 2008 and 2009, imagine where we'd be if Jordie McMahon couldn't kick straight. Richmond would have Trenners, Martin and Cotchin DOMINATING. We'd be getting ready to say goodbye to Tom...

On what I've seen of him this year, I think a new offer should be made to Tom - $200,000 less than the original one.

  On 08/08/2011 at 14:04, pitchfork said:

For all those who are now objecting to our approach to 2008 and 2009, imagine where we'd be if Jordie McMahon couldn't kick straight. Richmond would have Trenners, Martin and Cotchin DOMINATING. We'd be getting ready to say goodbye to Tom...

No... Richmond would've had the first pick only, and they'd likely have selected Scully too.

That would mean they'd only have Scully and Cotchin, no Trengove or Martin.

We'd have ended up with Trengove still, or Martin.

But we'd not have Scully, or if Scully leaves, the compensation we'll get in return - that's worth something.

As far as i am concerned 2 first round draft picks are worth more to the MFC than Tom Scully's current form

Paying more than what a player is worth is economically dumb

Not to mention the disharmony it can cause in a team environment

  On 08/08/2011 at 10:43, belzebub59 said:

Queenie Queenie Queenie...you ought to knw far better than to start using logic and common sense. Now go sit in the naughty corner ...go on...off yo go.

And dont come back til you can offer up something more akin to "hes the mesiah, we're never going to win without him, hes Judds lost cousin"

Consider yourself chastised !!!

Sorry Bub, I simply don't know what I was thinking..... !!!

If he goes he's no good, but if he stays he's the next Judd, I'm sick of this sh*t.

When he goes and yes I said when, we will be duly compensated, we will be loseing a bloke that has played all of a handful of games and we will get two guys that will be at the same leavel in less than two years. Go or stay this will not make or break our club.

Move on and let the poor bloke be.

Don't know whether i should share this but there's a rumour in bigpond that Garry lyon met with Tom Scully, his family and manager and he offered a third party deal to Tom Scully from channel nine and MMM and they agreed to those terms and will announce it at the season end, it would be a big win if garry lyon achieve that.

  On 08/08/2011 at 17:05, Dees said:

Don't know whether i should share this but there's a rumour in bigpond that Garry lyon met with Tom Scully, his family and manager and he offered a third party deal to Tom Scully from channel nine and MMM and they agreed to those terms and will announce it at the season end, it would be a big win if garry lyon achieve that.

No, you probably shouldn't but you have!! On Bigpond no less, so clearly the truth that we have all been waiting for!!

Remember, Herr Fuhrer has decreed that there can be no third party deals, unless your name is Chri$ Judd and your club is Visytank.

And furthermore, paying Tom, or anyone else for that matter, above their value will further rip our club apart!

Let him go if mercenary is his game and good luck to him, his knee, and to the senile eccentric coach.

  On 08/08/2011 at 14:41, e25 said:

No... Richmond would've had the first pick only, and they'd likely have selected Scully too.

That would mean they'd only have Scully and Cotchin, no Trengove or Martin.

We'd have ended up with Trengove still, or Martin.

But we'd not have Scully, or if Scully leaves, the compensation we'll get in return - that's worth something.

Oops! There I went rewriting history again. Thanks for the clarification.

  On 08/08/2011 at 17:05, Dees said:

Don't know whether i should share this but there's a rumour in bigpond that Garry lyon met with Tom Scully, his family and manager and he offered a third party deal to Tom Scully from channel nine and MMM and they agreed to those terms and will announce it at the season end, it would be a big win if garry lyon achieve that.

Garry said last night on footy clasifieds that he hasn't met with Tom yet, so its your call believe bigpond or Garry Lyon

The problem if TS was to leave and we get two first round as compensation is that we have to shift the launch date for our premiership window back a year (or two)... Which is a bummer.

  On 08/08/2011 at 21:38, dieharderdee said:

Garry said last night on footy clasifieds that he hasnt met with tom yet, so its your call beleive bigpond or Garry Lyon

I certainly think this was a lie from Garry.

A "footy white lie", if you will.

Not sure of exact quotes, but I'm certain I've heard Garry say that one of the 1st things he'd do is go down to the club and sit down with Tom to find out his intentions.

Garry has been at the club a week.

The reason he lied, imo, is that it is important that the content of these discussions remains private.

Breach Tom's confidence and it will do the club no good whatsoever in these negotiations, if a decision is still to be made.

My guess is the result was the same as what has been publicly said - Scully will wait til season's end to make a firm decision.

If Garry had have acknowledged that talks have been held, even if he said there was no conclusion to be made, the wild speculation would begin.

"Did you see Garry? He shifted from left to right in his chair! He shuffled his papers! Clearly he's nervous because Scully is going!"... ad nauseum.

I think the fact it has not yet been announced that Scully has decided and is leaving, is an indication that he hasn't as yet and isn't.

I find it hard to believe Scully would be able to effectively lie to Garry's face when challenged, and I find it hard to believe that if Garry had concluded Tom is lying and leaving, that he would still be playing. Instead Garry would give him the Phil Davis, on-your-bike treatment.

Anyway, all of this is supposition, but that's how I read it...

Steve Silvagni on TAC Cup Future Stars said they put forward an offer to Scully in that small window at the end of 2010.

Hmmmmmmm

Check out the "Lyon Hunting" video on the Footy Classified website if you want to see for yourself. Towards the end of the vid.

So who do you belive silvagini or scully i think gws is playing a really good game of poker and i have no reasons to belive scully has agreed to any contract at last season because he is smarter than that to chase money, but it seems all journaists seems to have one resource and i believe its GWS that spreading rumours that scully signed with them last season, the intentions of that i hope i know.

I watched the scully press conference last night i and i didn't see any indication that he is lying and i saw silvagini having a hard time than scully did answering a small question.

  On 08/08/2011 at 17:05, Dees said:

Don't know whether i should share this but there's a rumour in bigpond that Garry lyon met with Tom Scully, his family and manager and he offered a third party deal to Tom Scully from channel nine and MMM and they agreed to those terms and will announce it at the season end, it would be a big win if garry lyon achieve that.

A rumour in bigpond ? Did this stem from Telstra ? ha.

I would consider it another baseless rumour, based on Lyon's comments last night that he hadn't yet met with Tom & family. He's been there a day or two.

Sorry i meant to say bigfooty

If anyone have any doubt tom scully gone watch that press conference again please

  On 09/08/2011 at 01:05, Dees said:

If anyone have any doubt tom scully gone watch that press conference again please

Adds nothing conclusive.

  On 09/08/2011 at 01:05, Dees said:

Sorry i meant to say bigfooty

If anyone have any doubt tom scully gone watch that press conference again please

Lol your going to need a shoulder to cry on in a few weeks but good on you for keeping the faith.

I was having a discussion with one of my Carlton mates and he made a very salient point. What's Tom Scully actually done (apart from the Bulldogs game and a few moments here and there)? Would he really want to leave a club and place undue pressure on himself with a multi-million dollar contract? I don't doubt he's set for stardom, but at the moment he hasn't proved himself at all. I've always believed Tom will stay, but when you put this fact on the table, it makes me even surer he'll stay.