I am well aware of front and back loaded salaries and the like for list management purposes. I made two original points.

First, The Age article today highlighted why clubs do not need to pay excessive amounts for an individual player given the availability of talented lower draft status players.

Second, mature and proven players at some clubs have chosen to play for lower payments in order to keep the 'team' together.

Smart list management is an important component of ongoing successful clubs.

Can you give me a link please .... sorry I don't read the papers much these days. So full of garbage ... you spend half your time getting more & more confused.

I offer 4 & 20 shekel's.

Please join the cue and take a number thank you sir. We will inform you when our asset is on the market.

But that is my final offer. Nice young boy, good teeth but can he bend zee neez?

I have backed number 31 since 1965.

The number is obviously jinxed.

Please dont tell me how Paul wheatley kicked 65 metre bombs. Just because he was capable of it doesnt mean it happened much. He did it maybe 10 times.

Whatever rein TS pulls now is immaterial to me.

But that is my final offer. Nice young boy, good teeth but can he bend zee neez?

Sorry the asset is not on the market yet sir. However, we are happy to convey your interest to our client. Thank-you for your bid. Our client has a very highly sought after asset in a very competitive market. Our client is genuine and has stated from day 1 his preference to make a decision on date x. If you are a genuine buyer hopefully you will respect his wishes.

Thank-you

Again

ps sir feel free to read the "unwritten" rules.

Rule Number 1 - Always ask the auctioneer a question that might scare off the opposition or put doubts in your oppositions mind ... irrespective of the truth. (People will believe what they want too.) B)

Sorry the asset is not on the market yet sir. However, we are happy to convey your interest to our client. Thank-you for your bid. Our client has a very highly sought after asset in a very competitive market. Our client is genuine and has stated from day 1 his preference to make a decision on date x. If you are a genuine buyer hopefully you will respect his wishes.

Thank-you

Again

ps sir feel free to read the "unwritten" rules.

Rule Number 1 - Always ask the auctioneer a question that might scare off the opposition or put doubts in your oppositions mind ... irrespective of the truth. (People will believe what they want too.) B)

Sadly as a poor goat herder for the past 46 years I cannot offer more. I curse a thousand deaths to those who can offer camels and donkeys.

Sadly as a poor goat herder for the past 46 years I cannot offer more. I curse a thousand deaths to those who can offer camels and donkeys.

No problems sir. We thank you for your interest. As I said our client is genuine and will make his final decision on date x. If you are interested I suggest you formally register your interest. You never know you might get a "camel" or "donkey" for the price of a "goat"

If not sir ... Good luck with your goats.

PS Just for the record Sir ... I too personally love goats & so does my client.

Can you give me a link please .... sorry I don't read the papers much these days. So full of garbage ... you spend half your time getting more & more confused.

Sorry for the delay hangon007 - I got lost in a movie and sleep!

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-day-the-cats-traded-for-the-winning-cream-20110726-1hylh.html

Yes. B) IMHO a rather arrogant statement.

(Please note I'm not saying you are arrogant)

Its not arrogance at all - its frustrating trying to continually have to clarify ones position as it gets misreprented so often.

There seems to be great confusion on quoting of old55, rpfc and my position.

If I may be as bold

I think they only thing we 3 are firm on is the belief in the statementsTom Scully has made.

None of us are discounting the idea he may leave at season end.

Whatever rein TS pulls now is immaterial to me.

I completely agree. I'm ambivalent as to whether the >> insert own adjective << stays or goes.

If he goes I'll consider him a mercenary, as he'll make tremendous money from Melbourne over his career. And if he stays I'll consider him a very selfish individual that strung the club, his teammates, and supporters out until the end of the season even though he had both clubs offers 2 months prior. But I hear them say, "Tom has always said he'll make his decision at year's end". Bully for Tom.

Interesting insight last night on AFL 360 into journo's whose every word we hang on.

Wheately and Robbo were discussing Rodney Eade and the back page headline discussing him as an Adelaide coaching target - after which the issue grew legs was then raised at the Bulldogs and the question asked of Rodney Eade.

Wheately said to Robbo - "nobody believes this story - its just PAPERTALK that the media like to do" and Robbo agreed with him. What does this tell us about the integrity of Journo's or is it more about their willingness to write anything that will get them the byline and a back page.

Interesting insight last night on AFL 360 into journo's whose every word we hang on.

Wheately and Robbo were discussing Rodney Eade and the back page headline discussing him as an Adelaide coaching target - after which the issue grew legs was then raised at the Bulldogs and the question asked of Rodney Eade.

Wheately said to Robbo - "nobody believes this story - its just PAPERTALK that the media like to do" and Robbo agreed with him. What does this tell us about the integrity of Journo's or is it more about their willingness to write anything that will get them the byline and a back page.

only that all animals are equal, but some more equal than others!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1rdkJz8nxM

Some of you guys are going to hate free agency...

Its not arrogance at all - its frustrating trying to continually have to clarify ones position as it gets misreprented so often.

There seems to be great confusion on quoting of old55, rpfc and my position.

If I may be as bold

I think they only thing we 3 are firm on is the belief in the statementsTom Scully has made.

None of us are discounting the idea he may leave at season end.

Sorry the arrogance is in regards to .... he has only two options GWS or MFC. That is not accurate and could be misinterpreted as

"Right here is the deal Velocity its GWS or MFC, like it or lump it." Thats what I took offence too from day 1.

I completely agree. I'm ambivalent as to whether the >> insert own adjective << stays or goes.

If he goes I'll consider him a mercenary, as he'll make tremendous money from Melbourne over his career. And if he stays I'll consider him a very selfish individual that strung the club, his teammates, and supporters out until the end of the season even though he had both clubs offers 2 months prior. But I hear them say, "Tom has always said he'll make his decision at year's end". Bully for Tom.

If he goes you will be in the minority with that view in regards to the wider AFL public.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=d1rdkJz8nxM

may I suggest

Some of you guys are going to hate free agency...

some? 95% of AFL supporters are going to hate it

I completely agree. I'm ambivalent as to whether the >> insert own adjective << stays or goes.

If he goes I'll consider him a mercenary, as he'll make tremendous money from Melbourne over his career. And if he stays I'll consider him a very selfish individual that strung the club, his teammates, and supporters out until the end of the season even though he had both clubs offers 2 months prior. But I hear them say, "Tom has always said he'll make his decision at year's end". Bully for Tom.

I doubt you would give a flying about an arguable distraction if you had a life changing decision to make - especially one that you already said a year in advance that you were not going to discuss it until the end of the season.

And I very much doubt that the spotlight that has come with the 'stringing along' would hasten your decision...

Sorry for the delay hangon007 - I got lost in a movie and sleep!

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-day-the-cats-traded-for-the-winning-cream-20110726-1hylh.html

Thanks Ok ... I took from the article

1/ Pick upgrades or down grades in some drafts make little to no difference you still get your man ie Geelong & Essendon to an extent

2/ Good clubs irrespective of what pick you give them have a better ability to develop kids because they spend more money inside their football department to increase the probability of peak performance.

Mumford was the classic case I was trying to explain above, due to salary cap restrictions Geelong could not put any "blue sky" in his contract .... where Sydney could ... they bought potential & ohhh how its paid off.

Its not really forward loading or back loading as such. Its one football club trying to predict the future and stave off the opposition clubs from circling. Or is a second club offering where they think the player can get to on their list ... another recent example was Shaun Grigg last year from Carlton.

Now again, referencing the article one very important point that many may miss is the roll of Wells brokering the deals. Wells is a very astute and empathetic dealer around AFL circles. Now I'm not sure if I should say this .... However, it goes back to my very, very first comment in the whole saga ... Why I thought Richmond where our major threat ... I see CC as a very empathetic mover who would see the argument from both sides and have the ability to broker a deal. However, most around here totally discount all possibilities of a third party involvement. (However, as I've said I hope it never comes to that)

So if the alleged offer from GWS is correct I'm positive it has an element of "blue sky" for a talent like Scully. Sheedy is prepared to pay today and get a return in a few years time.

I should add, I generally zone out when the guys talk about it. Its quite a sophisticated rating system based on past performance, current performance & peak performance combined with probabilities. Every player in the league is rated every recruit is rated with a margin for error. Then you can attempt to predict salaries & trade options. (& of course draft options)

Hope that explains my point.

I doubt you would give a flying about an arguable distraction if you had a life changing decision to make - especially one that you already said a year in advance that you were not going to discuss it until the end of the season.

And I very much doubt that the spotlight that has come with the 'stringing along' would hasten your decision...

Especially if it was for an alleged $1 million dollars.

Just finished reading the Ben Cousins book (which is a great read) and interestingly he chooses to sign his contract at the prime of his career with no pay rise at all when he could have named his price. This was to ensure there was enough for West Coast to be able to keep Judd and Kerr who he knew would be needed to win a Premiership and both where out of contract. When he does this Judd and Kerr are so inspired they both resign within a week. A premiership follows.

Sorry the arrogance is in regards to .... he has only two options GWS or MFC. That is not accurate and could be misinterpreted as

"Right here is the deal Velocity its GWS or MFC, like it or lump it." Thats what I took offence too from day 1.

fair enough - I have always thought it would be very difficult to get anywhere else than GWS but it is possible

If GWS wants him and the Dees don't want to get rid of him, then there are only two choices.

GWS and Melbourne.

The only way it will happen otherwise will be if Melbourne decides that they will do a trade.

If GWS wants him and the Dees don't want to get rid of him, then there are only two choices.

GWS and Melbourne.

The only way it will happen otherwise will be if Melbourne decides that they will do a trade.

Massive IF ... you also must consider where Tom wants to go. You must also consider would GWS "buy" him if they had to pay from him themselves .... instead of "paying" for him via AFL compensation picks, if that is in fact them paying. Would you spend $1 million dollars a year on a player that doesn't want to play for you .... let me think about that one ...

But again many have discounted this option from day 1 ... they will continue to discount it ... beacuse they will believe what they want too or what they read in the media.