Don't agee bb there are a couple of thousand that think we are going along well

and we are all a bunch of pessimists because in 2010 we won 8 games.

Mind you ...i do wonder just how many are out there that quiety suffer and arent on the payroll so to speak

Mind you ...i do wonder just how many are out there that quiety suffer and arent on the payroll so to speak

Very good point and are very unlikely to pay the payroll tax in 2013 bb

Perhaps 2014?

Don't agee bb there are a couple of thousand that think we are going along well

and we are all a bunch of pessimists because in 2010 we won 8 games.

If you can find them and single them out for me I would appreciate it. I've got a dose of reality for both parties that says we aren't going well because of the past, but looking forward things will be gradually on the up despite false dawns recently.

Very good point and are very unlikely to pay the payroll tax in 2013 bb

Perhaps 2014?

yeah...id be thinking that..

Depending upon the result of the 3 ring circus we all love as EOS and how our lot shape up ( on paper) there may well be an eyebrow raised from a slumbering long time sufferer. But just as that old yella type of hound pricks its ears it will only get up for something substantial. 14 might well be that time after a years reasonable and satisfactory effor and withot reservation , deal breaker, rise up the ladder.

weve all gone over this chestnut any number of times but if there was ever a sleeping giant come membership of an AFL team , its us.

Runs on the board and we could strike out to 50,000 I have no doubt. With all the ancillary benefits that come of that.

In the mean time We all hang around like the pained waiting in the dentists waiting lounge. Filling, extraction, whateever......just make the pain stop !!!

Cloke stays , so that's the first domino.

If you can find them and single them out for me I would appreciate it. I've got a dose of reality for both parties that says we aren't going well because of the past, but looking forward things will be gradually on the up despite false dawns recently.

I estimate there are a couple of dozen on Land H_T

as an example Hardnut is convinced all our troubles have been the coach.

I estimate there are a couple of dozen on Land H_T

as an example Hardnut is convinced all our troubles have been the coach.

oh he's not alone...some ( insert ) by nic GNF or something also wants to pillory Neeld...and there are more....for sure

Cloke stays , so that's the first domino.

yes.... it all starts now....lol

Cloke stays , so that's the first domino.

I never really expected him too leave

The embarrassment would have been to much for Eddie and company to endure.

Now all he has to do is earn it.

Pressure mounts very quickly if you get paid big Monte Carlo's and play like a teddy bear.

Not sure how the Pies are going to pay everyone in 2013 and beyond.

Cloke stays , so that's the first domino.

Gerard Whately declared him gone last night.

Gerard Whately declared him gone last night.

nothing more to say there really

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I estimate there are a couple of dozen on Land H_T

as an example Hardnut is convinced all our troubles have been the coach.

Yeah well, some don't want to even contemplate alternate views no matter what is put forward. Set in their ways with the blinkers on.

He's delivered on his promise to shake up the joint and go down a track unfamiliar to many within the melbfc. A professionally run outfit. Rome wasn't built in a day and he needs players to play roles and cattle. Quality cattle which he hasn't got.

Some people talk about wins of the past, some of those players have moved on, different dynamic, different path now. Different coach.

In a month or two's time the playing list will be significantly different to 2012. It's a tough job and initiation for any rookie coach.

I shouldn't have to go on about our midfield, you've read it all before.

is there a problem with our midfield ?? when did this happen ..... Blink and you miss things I tell ya !!

We are headed for a very interesting few weeks. When all is said and done, if we could get a couple of good mids in trading, like Wellingham and say Stevens, then draft a few more like JV ,Toumpas and maybe MacRae, we would be far better off than we are currently.

I suspect the trade and draft period will start with hope and expectation and fizzle out as all trade peiods have in the past.

Something to amuse ourselves with over trade and draft month:

_{Apparently there is a game on today. Lets get it over with and then we can move on to the important part of this season for us. The other part was pretty sh-thouse.}

Bloody amazing

Good ball handling skills and strong on both sides

A lot of forward progress and still an emphasis on containment.

It would appear some overindulgence with complexity to satisfy what could be analysed as a simple outcome.

Has maybe some comparisons with our game.

with the right tools and systems a consistent outcome can be expected. Even some of the randomness still achieves the required result.

There is order in the chaos.

Sorry just diverted into an old obsession.

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This is perfect for our requirements on a day when the price of bananas is relatively low and all is well with the world on grand final day -

Hutzler Banana Slicer

Dale Roberts just interviewed on the pre game show. He is out there now.

He's come out did you say ?

Hawks look to be in trouble at half time.

The Drummer of Temper Trap is a Dees man.