The Jaeger O'Meara Thread

[Jordie_tackles 354]

GWS are targeting the same premiership window as the MFC, the real question is would they give us pick 1 or 2 in 2012?

this is another point, one which i have probably not wanted to contemplate

[Whispering_Jack 29,770]

What's this "tender process" and where has that come from? I can't find a reference to it and would be pleased to see one - I have heard about it on the grapevine but that's all.

It's not clear that the GWS zone incentive trading is at the END of the trade period from that info - it could be an integral part of it and that would make sense. The u17 mini draft picks are just other tradable commodities.

That the actual picks are a week later is OK, gives time for the dust to settle, the bid winners to work out exactly who they'll take and the AFL to have another media event in October to squash racing, cricket, soccer and any other competotor off the back page of the Sun.

If there is a set time (2:10 on 17/10/11) for announcement of the outcome of the GWS zone incentive process then the way it is done is that bids are lodged with GWS during the trade period and GWS makes its decision at the end of the period to be announced at that time. That sounds like a tender to me irrespective of what they call it.

[MadAsHell 4,212]

With the events of Ross Lyon signing with Fremantle and looking for immediate success I reckon the question the below article asks will be answered.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/afl/dockers-torn-between-choosing-mitch-clark-and-jaeger-omeara/story-e6frg1xu-1226133807690

With Fremantle likely to recruit Mitch Clark and go for a premiership in the next few years while Pavlich, Sandilands, McPharlin, Grover & McPhee are still around it leaves us in the best position to secure pick 1 in the mini draft for O'Meara with our 2 1st round compensation picks to deal with.

[Guest Jack Donaghy]

If there is a set time (2:10 on 17/10/11) for announcement of the outcome of the GWS zone incentive process then the way it is done is that bids are lodged with GWS during the trade period and GWS makes its decision at the end of the period to be announced at that time. That sounds like a tender to me irrespective of what they call it.

Is that how it works?

I haven't read that.

Dammit. It is a bloody tender.

We'll have to bid high or risk not winning, rather than negotiate.

Damn these rules!

I wouldn't be surprised if we lose both compo picks if we really want O'Meara.

[Demon16 69]

Is that how it works?

I haven't read that.

Dammit. It is a bloody tender.

We'll have to bid high or risk not winning, rather than negotiate.

Damn these rules!

I wouldn't be surprised if we lose both compo picks if we really want O'Meara.

If we wanted to offer a player and pick in the tender i'm not really sure how that would work. GWS might want player "x" which we are happy to give them but have no knowledge of, and offer player "y" and miss out.

anyway, IMO we offer the 2 compo picks and have no regrets. i want a star.

[old55 23,379]

If there is a set time (2:10 on 17/10/11) for announcement of the outcome of the GWS zone incentive process then the way it is done is that bids are lodged with GWS during the trade period and GWS makes its decision at the end of the period to be announced at that time. That sounds like a tender to me irrespective of what they call it.

I don't read it that way. What happens on the 17th at 2:10 is the picks in the draft. The trading for those oicks happens in the trade period. In the week in between the clubs who have acquired the picks have the opportunity to decide who they want to select. That's the way - read it - happy to be advised otherwise.

[baysidedave 246]

Got a nick name for Scully? Dana , X-files .

Lord Howe

Stef martin-DOC Martin (hes brainy) .

Anyone?

lying [censored] is $cummy's nickname

[Trengove the Magnifique 9 23]

We won't get him, Gold Coast offering pick 4 will trump us all. Makes me sick that GWS will have picks 1,2,3,4,5 in this draft.

[dee-luded 2,959]

I wonder why the GWS zone incentive selections are determined at the end of the trade period and not at the beginning?

Surely that means that if a club wants to trade a player or player as part of the tender to GWS and the club misses out, the player cannot then be traded to anyone else?

Or am I missing something?

Thats what I thought Jack, it doesn't seem to make much sense.

[Guest Jack Donaghy]

If we wanted to offer a player and pick in the tender i'm not really sure how that would work. GWS might want player "x" which we are happy to give them but have no knowledge of, and offer player "y" and miss out.

anyway, IMO we offer the 2 compo picks and have no regrets. i want a star.

Not necessarily.

If it is in fact a tender process, there's not really anything stopping us from speaking to GWS before submitting the tender and finding out who they are interested in.

It just means we can't really make a counter offer to beat the offer of another team...

But even I think GWS would make sure teams are aware of what other teams have said they'll offer.

Goddamn it, I just don't see the point of tendering for these picks.

It doesn't really make sense.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Surly it is in the AFL's best interest to ignite a bidding war....

what i want all depends on where the MFC stand a best chance of getting some benefit,i dont care how this happens

[dee-luded 2,959]

Surly it is in the AFL's best interest to ignite a bidding war....

what i want all depends on where the MFC stand a best chance of getting some benefit,i dont care how this happens

Surely you need certainty on what your Bidding For?

[old55 23,379]

Surely you need certainty on what your Bidding For?

I don't see why it's so complicated - negotiate with GWS for a U17 draft pick just like any other trade involving draft picks.

Something like:

MFC "We'll give you a Scully compo pick for U17 pick 1"

GWS "Gold Coast has offered us ND pick 4, that's a better offer can you top it? We could give you U17 pick 2 for one Scully compo pick"

MFC "OK, we really want pick 1, we'll give you both Scully picks"

GWS "Done, looks like GC gets pick 2"

Edited September 17, 2011 by old55

[Demon16 69]

I don't see why it's so complicated - negotiate with GWS for a U17 draft pick just like any other trade involving draft picks.

Something like:

MFC "We'll give you a Scully compo pick for U17 pick 1"

GWS "Gold Coast has offered us ND pick 4, that's a better offer can you top it? We could give you U17 pick 2 for one Scully compo pick"

MFC "OK, we really want pick 1, we'll give you both Scully picks"

GWS "Done, looks like GC gets pick 2"

That's the way I assumed it would work, but with a tender and no right of reply we would not get to your second step.

[Radar Detector 1,347]

Not sure I like the risk-reward factor of this mini-draft. We could offer both compo picks and there is no guarantee they would trump pick 4 this year if it was offered anyway. Does the tender process mean we have to spend the picks offered up even if we can't get the player we want? Because I would hate for us to end up losing both compo picks and draft Brad Crouch instead of O'Meara.

[Pennant St Dee 13,113]

I have not seen any of Crouch or know much about him but one thing I do know is that O'Meara has a very bad case of OP that has hampered his development this year so if we do get him we can spend next year getting his body right

[JACKATTACK 17]

I know GWS have shown interest in blease, I wouldn't want to lose him but he could figure in a trade.

[Demon16 69]

I know GWS have shown interest in blease, I wouldn't want to lose him but he could figure in a trade.

that could make for an interesting scenario. i wouldn't want to lose him either.....but would have to give it some thought.

[H_T 3,043]

That's the way I assumed it would work, but with a tender and no right of reply we would not get to your second step.

Surely there would be phone calls to and frow from GWS-MFC, GWS-GCS, so GWS can get the best deal. Gubby is a smart operator, he'll get the best deal.

[Demon16 69]

Surely there would be phone calls to and frow from GWS-MFC, GWS-GCS, so GWS can get the best deal. Gubby is a smart operator, he'll get the best deal.

you would think so.

the more i think about it the more i think it couldn't possibly be a closed tender. the possiblity of a deal being struck behind closed doors would be impossible to police.

[old55 23,379]

That's the way I assumed it would work, but with a tender and no right of reply we would not get to your second step.

Can someone please show me a reference to the "tender"? I can't find one.

[DemonTux 97]

Our first round pick (the one straight after our normal first round pick) that we got for scully would be worth more to GWS than pick #4 if they didnt believe next year would be anything other than development and would feesably finish anywhere from first last to 4th last. it could, effectivly be pick 2, 3 or 4 dependant on where they finish so this GC trumping us with pick 4 is probably in reality a bit stupid.

also, in reality, that same pick may not be as valuable to us as the mid first round pick if we finish in the 8 where the mid first round may be lower than our actual pick and the subsequent one. The first round one would only be of more value if we finished bellow 9th (I would hope we improve again next year)

Edited September 20, 2011 by Edorion

[Forest Demon 4,681]

Our first round pick (the one straight after our normal first round pick) that we got for scully would be worth more to GWS than pick #4 if they didnt believe next year would be anything other than development and would feesably finish anywhere from first last to 4th last. it could, effectivly be pick 2, 3 or 4 dependant on where they finish so this GC trumping us with pick 4 is probably in reality a bit stupid.

also, in reality, that same pick may not be as valuable to us as the mid first round pick if we finish in the 8 where the mid first round may be lower than our actual pick and the subsequent one. The first round one would only be of more value if we finished bellow 9th (I would hope we improve again next year)

Pretty certain if we trade this pick to gws it is still used after our 1st rounder, not theirs.

[old55 23,379]

Monday October 10 - Monday October 17 (2pm) - AFL exchange period, including GWS zone incentive trading rules

Monday October 17 (2.10pm) - GWS zone incentive selections.

Looking closer at this, just realised that the selections happen 10 minutes after the close of Trade Week - you'd need to be sure who you were going to pick if you've just done the trade deal for say Pick 3.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Im sure you would have a list of atleast 4 or only 4 really and just tick names off the list in order