I admire your ability to last the distance, you have been over this like a lampshade.

I would (and) have lost interest in it long ago.

He stays or goes...meh

Trengove is on triple m at 5.30pm as well. Poor kid he's had to speak more about the issue than Tom has!!!

Makes it easier to admire him

The last time we lost a player like this it was 1965 & we never recovered..I know the careers are at different points, but there are similarities here between Tom & RDB.

Thoughts People....

I admire your ability to last the distance, you have been over this like a lampshade.

I would (and) have lost interest in it long ago.

He stays or goes...meh

I admire them both too ... question is have they enough fight in the belly to go again?

Time will tell if they need too.

I admire them both too ... question is have they enough fight in the belly to go again?

Time will tell if they need too.

It's more muscle memory than belly fire.

We have been going around in circles for months.

Sometimes I feel just like Luke when I wander in here.

I would be meh too.

But I just cannot get past the two things I mentioned earlier.

That is why I am here, and will continue to be.

And you really don't have to admire it...

Just don't pity it...

And while we are talking about Women's tennis - who won Wimbledon? I have taken zero interest in it but usually catch wind of which woman won...

Not a clue.

Kvitova beat Sharapova, she showed a bit of form in oz earlier this year, think she knocked out stosur at the oz open, seeded around 8th at Wimbledon, would've got good odds

Nothing from memory. Just a hunch. Since then, events have confirmed my intuition. So?

So according to you Tom was lying when he said at his presser:

He rejected claims he had been offered $5 million over five years to join Greater Western Sydney

OR

His management would hold off on contract talks until his current two-year deal ends at the end of this season.

Because according to you he engaged in contract talks in the following 6 weeks and committed to GWS.

It's more muscle memory than belly fire.

We have been going around in circles for months.

Call it what you want ... Question is do you have enough left in the tank to go again.

Both "sides" have laid all their cards on the table. Very interesting times ahead, patience is a virtue.

i have to laugh

media cretin #1 "scully is going"

demonland: "that's just unsubstantiated rumour that doesn't mean anything!"

media cretin #2 "Scully is staying"

demonland: "see! this is proof! I told you!"

Wrong.

No, that's not right. All the panic merchants were saying that he'd already signed and that he was lying when he said he hadn't. That's what I (and many others) took issue with, and it's why I'm now carrying a smug look on my face. It's been shown to be completely unsubstantiated with facts and quotes from relevant parties as opposed to he-said-she-saids, thereby being proven to be false beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Of course there's still the possibility he will sign with GWS. It's not truly over until he signs one way or the other, but at least people might (hopefully) ease up a bit on the character assassination now.

Right.

If the offers are roughly correct then I would like to think that the gap between what we offer and GWS' offer can be made up by the following:

1) Some left-of-centre Judd-Visy type deal/arrangement or alternatively arrangements that will help him money-wise after footy.

2) The "intangible" of being a one-club player with an established traditional club, possibly being a club great and the feeling you would get from achieving success with such a traditional club with loyal fans rather than playing with a soulless club like GWS who have no history and whose success will bring joy to few people.

3) Playing footy on the MCG in front of big crowds against traditional rivals as opposed to playing in West Sydney in front of 5,000 people.

4) Staying in Melbourne, with family and friends, as opposed to moving interstate.

If the money is a $2m difference over five years, being $1m after tax, then I would think that we could 'bridge the gap' between our offer and the GWS offer through the above means.

I don't see it as an insurmountable difference at all.

I would consider it a very low act to leave a club that has invested so much in you purely for that difference in money (especially considering the non-monetary incentives in staying at Melbourne and the possible post-career monetary incentives in staying loyal to Melbourne).

Agree.

So according to you Tom was lying when he said at his presser:

OR

Because according to you he engaged in contract talks in the following 6 weeks and committed to GWS.

When I agreed with Curry & Beer that he will go I was implying that I didn't think he would be able to resist the big coin that would eventually be thrust under his nose.

That is saying neither of the things you seem to be charging me with.

Events since then appear to be bearing out my misgivings, wouldn't you say?

You have your view. I have mine. Get over it.

Edited July 12, 201114 yr by Range Rover

But yours is WRONG!

When I agreed with Curry & Beer that he will go I was implying that I didn't think he would be able to resist the big coin that would eventually be thrust under his nose.

That is saying neither of the things you seem to be charging me with.

Events since then appear to be bearing out my misgivings, wouldn't you say?

You have your view. I have mine. Get over it.

"Gone" was the word you agreed with, not "will go ... when the big coin [that would] eventually be thrust under his nose".

And no I wouldn't say that about "Events since then" at all.

Indeed you do have your view - it's that Tom lied.

Edited July 12, 201114 yr by old55

When I agreed with Curry & Beer that he will go I was implying that I didn't think he would be able to resist the big coin that would eventually be thrust under his nose.

That is saying neither of the things you seem to be charging me with.

Events since then appear to be bearing out my misgivings, wouldn't you say?

You have your view. I have mine. Get over it.

You cant discount your line of thinking .... Question is .... Is it all about the money?

You dont think he will ie "refuse the coin".... which is quite within your rights. However, many have put compelling arguments to stay in Melbourne.

We will now find out.

Edited July 12, 201114 yr by hangon007

This is the worst thread in the history of Demonland.

If we have to go through this sh*t with Trengove next year I'm going to shoot myself.

Buy blanks when Scully signs.

"Gone" was the word you agreed with, not "will go ... when the big coin [that would] eventually be thrust under his nose".

And no I wouldn't say that about "Events since then" at all.

Indeed you do have your view - it's that Tom lied.

Now you're being silly. You know full well someone can say "I reckon he's gone" with an implied future tense.

Go ahead, twist my words around to paint me as the bad guy all you want. It makes no difference to me.

Now you're being silly. You know full well someone can say "I reckon he's gone" with an implied future tense.

Go ahead, twist my words around to paint me as the bad guy all you want. It makes no difference to me.

Come on guys- this is becoming ridiculous- I respect both o you guys views.. but..please..this whole thread as Jaded just stated..is basically out of control.Let's get on with it..RR - we have other business to get on with UF..

No, I have said that he agreed to go to GWS at some point after that press conference. Big difference.

That presser was in early March. A crapload has gone down since then, as evidenced by the aftershocks we are witnessing in the media at the moment.

You're still inferring Tom's a liar. Tom couldn't have been clearer when he said on March 4, "There has been no approach, absolutely not. And I definitely haven't spoken to GWS and most certainly haven't signed anything, certainly not. If I did have an approach the club would be the first to know. I have been transparent with the club."

Pay particular note to his last two sentences. Up until last week Scully's management have been denying an approach. You're accusing Tom of lying by saying a "crapload has gone on since then". Other than GWS this week formally tabling an offer at the request of Scully's management nothing has happened. And now that a formal approach has been made Scully is upholding his remarks from March 4 and Melbourne have been made aware.

You're still inferring Tom's a liar. Tom couldn't have been clearer when he said on March 4, "There has been no approach, absolutely not. And I definitely haven't spoken to GWS and most certainly haven't signed anything, certainly not. If I did have an approach the club would be the first to know. I have been transparent with the club."

Pay particular note to his last two sentences. Up until last week Scully's management have been denying an approach. You're accusing Tom of lying by saying a "crapload has gone on since then". Other than GWS this week formally tabling an offer at the request of Scully's management nothing has happened. And now that a formal approach has been made Scully is upholding his remarks from March 4 and Melbourne have been made aware.

Here we go again. I've addressed this exact same charge from Rpfc and Old55 and see no need to re-hash what I've already said. Read my earlier posts.

I agree JCB, getting very tedious.

Here we go again. I've addressed this exact same charge from Rpfc and Old55 and see no need to re-hash what I've already said. Read my earlier posts.

I agree JCB, getting very tedious.

You have accused Scully of being a liar. Furthermore, going by your recent posts, you are sticking by that.

Tweed Pig has also looked at another part of Scully's press conference to add more evidence that you are calling Scully a liar.

You have made no attempt to respond.

Good luck with that.

If it wasn’t for differing opinions internet forums would be boring as bat s#it!! I like the fact that Range Rover isn’t afraid to have a different opinion to the majority on here. Far too many for my liking who just stroke each other’s ego's by agreeing on every issue which is discussed (rpfc/nasher/Artie etc etc). We all love the MFC but the sun doesnt shine out of it's arse!

You have accused Scully of being a liar. Furthermore, going by your recent posts, you are sticking by that.

Tweed Pig has also looked at another part of Scully's press conference to add more evidence that you are calling Scully a liar.

You have made no attempt to respond.

Good luck with that.

If you and the Tweed Pig and whoever else want to believe that what you read in the paper is an exact indication of what's going on, that's your prerogative.

Nowhere have I accused Tom Scully of being a liar.

Next ...

The last time we lost a player like this it was 1965 & we never recovered..I know the careers are at different points, but there are similarities here between Tom & RDB.

Thoughts People....

I think there's also parallels with losing Gerard Healy. Clearly that was a comprehensive net loss for the club. Long before draft picks as compensation though.

Cameron Schwabb is at this moment dismantling the ox's arguements....Tom Scully has gone nowhere yet!!!

If it wasn’t for differing opinions internet forums would be boring as bat s#it!! I like the fact that Range Rover isn’t afraid to have a different opinion to the majority on here. Far too many for my liking who just stroke each other’s ego's by agreeing on every issue which is discussed (rpfc/nasher/Artie etc etc). We all love the MFC but the sun doesnt shine out of it's arse!

So my position can be dismissed as rose coloured glasses?