Elimination of the Apologists

[Snoopy 41]

I'm sick of the club putting up injury lists.

Depressing facts and nothing but bloody excuses for the apologists to grab hold of and try and explain away everything that is wrong with our club. Everything.

Hell, I wish they'd take the numbers off the backs of the players so we couldn't identify them. No, lets go further, lets dye their hair, put false bottoms on their shoes to change their heights, put a bit of padding here and there and even paint their skin a different color. That would stuff the apologists too because they couldn't tell one player from another.

And while we're at it what about player information?? Let's forget things like providing ages, heights, weights, draft pick position and experience. Let's get to the stage that when a Melbourne team run out on the ground it's just 18 bodies (yeh, lets forget names) playing 18 bodies. No excuses then for not competing, not chasing, missing kicks and missing tackles. No ability to make comparisons with other teams to compare abilities, experiences or games played. We'd just be Melbourne and we could judge the team based purely on performance with no distracting "facts".

Think of the advantages. No delistings, no need for a recruiting department because all the players would be the same and all those little pesky "facts" can be eliminated. And if things aren't going well (winning every game) all we have to do is change the coach. Yeh, it'd be all his fault. He's not motivating the players, he's not got a game plan, he's not playing them in the right position, his training methods aren't right, he may not even speak the right language. And we just keep changing him until we do.

And we shouldn't know who he is. That way personal feeling won't come into it. No debatable judgements about his personality would be required. No interpretation of media conferences (because we'd ban those as well) and no concerns about his experience, age or religious preferences.

Can't you see the advantages?? No apologists. No nasty divisions. No diversity of opinions. No need to try and think about footy. Just a simple equation. Win and the coach stays and lose and he goes.

We would be a united supporter base. No torch bearers wanting to burn apologists at the stake. No apologists wondering if the men with hoods were coming in the evening to burn them at the stake. No big dick competitions. We'd all be as one and Demonland would be a happy and loving space.

I think it's time for this club to get serious and consider the supporters. Hell, we pay our subs and we are entitled!!!

[beelzebub 22,373]

LOL... I kinda like all that.

Theres a certainly reality about it in that essentially thats all it is..a team of 18 bods vs another team of 18bods.

Something goes awry and any number of particular , player orientated excuses bubbles to the surface.

Invariably its just the team played cr@p.

Now there are varying reasons this might happen. But it is after all a team game.

The old adage still applies, you can only play the team thats out there competing agsint you; and that works both ways.

Im tired of al lthe excuses too...and we wont be alone.

edit:

Id qualify it as 18 bods plus others v 18 bods+others

Edited June 1, 2011 by belzebub59

[daisycutter 28,700]

I'm sick of the club putting up injury lists.

Depressing facts and nothing but bloody excuses for the apologists to grab hold of and try and explain away everything that is wrong with our club. Everything.

Hell, I wish they'd take the numbers off the backs of the players so we couldn't identify them. No, lets go further, lets dye their hair, put false bottoms on their shoes to change their heights, put a bit of padding here and there and even paint their skin a different color. That would stuff the apologists too because they couldn't tell one player from another.

And while we're at it what about player information?? Let's forget things like providing ages, heights, weights, draft pick position and experience. Let's get to the stage that when a Melbourne team run out on the ground it's just 18 bodies (yeh, lets forget names) playing 18 bodies. No excuses then for not competing, not chasing, missing kicks and missing tackles. No ability to make comparisons with other teams to compare abilities, experiences or games played. We'd just be Melbourne and we could judge the team based purely on performance with no distracting "facts".

Think of the advantages. No delistings, no need for a recruiting department because all the players would be the same and all those little pesky "facts" can be eliminated. And if things aren't going well (winning every game) all we have to do is change the coach. Yeh, it'd be all his fault. He's not motivating the players, he's not got a game plan, he's not playing them in the right position, his training methods aren't right, he may not even speak the right language. And we just keep changing him until we do.

And we shouldn't know who he is. That way personal feeling won't come into it. No debatable judgements about his personality would be required. No interpretation of media conferences (because we'd ban those as well) and no concerns about his experience, age or religious preferences.

Can't you see the advantages?? No apologists. No nasty divisions. No diversity of opinions. No need to try and think about footy. Just a simple equation. Win and the coach stays and lose and he goes.

We would be a united supporter base. No torch bearers wanting to burn apologists at the stake. No apologists wondering if the men with hoods were coming in the evening to burn them at the stake. No big dick competitions. We'd all be as one and Demonland would be a happy and loving space.

I think it's time for this club to get serious and consider the supporters. Hell, we pay our subs and we are entitled!!!

always wondered what you did Snoopy, when you're not pumping tyres

never knew it was writing satirical pieces B)

[Range Rover 1,935]

I'm sick of the club putting up injury lists.

Depressing facts and nothing but bloody excuses for the apologists to grab hold of and try and explain away everything that is wrong with our club. Everything.

Hell, I wish they'd take the numbers off the backs of the players so we couldn't identify them. No, lets go further, lets dye their hair, put false bottoms on their shoes to change their heights, put a bit of padding here and there and even paint their skin a different color. That would stuff the apologists too because they couldn't tell one player from another.

And while we're at it what about player information?? Let's forget things like providing ages, heights, weights, draft pick position and experience. Let's get to the stage that when a Melbourne team run out on the ground it's just 18 bodies (yeh, lets forget names) playing 18 bodies. No excuses then for not competing, not chasing, missing kicks and missing tackles. No ability to make comparisons with other teams to compare abilities, experiences or games played. We'd just be Melbourne and we could judge the team based purely on performance with no distracting "facts".

Think of the advantages. No delistings, no need for a recruiting department because all the players would be the same and all those little pesky "facts" can be eliminated. And if things aren't going well (winning every game) all we have to do is change the coach. Yeh, it'd be all his fault. He's not motivating the players, he's not got a game plan, he's not playing them in the right position, his training methods aren't right, he may not even speak the right language. And we just keep changing him until we do.

And we shouldn't know who he is. That way personal feeling won't come into it. No debatable judgements about his personality would be required. No interpretation of media conferences (because we'd ban those as well) and no concerns about his experience, age or religious preferences.

Can't you see the advantages?? No apologists. No nasty divisions. No diversity of opinions. No need to try and think about footy. Just a simple equation. Win and the coach stays and lose and he goes.

We would be a united supporter base. No torch bearers wanting to burn apologists at the stake. No apologists wondering if the men with hoods were coming in the evening to burn them at the stake. No big dick competitions. We'd all be as one and Demonland would be a happy and loving space.

I think it's time for this club to get serious and consider the supporters. Hell, we pay our subs and we are entitled!!!

Meanwhile back in Realityville ... Jamie Bennell won't back into a pack and the club condones it by continuing to select him.

[Hannabal 4]

I'm sick of the club putting up injury lists.

Why do you think that Bailey is a really good coach ?

[bing181 8,228]

Meanwhile back in Realityville ... Jamie Bennell won't back into a pack and the club condones it by continuing to select him.

FFS, drop it. On the one hand, there's a difference between brave and stupid, and on the other, when - for all his sins - has Bennell not backed into a pack this season when he could have?

More mindless rhetoric.

[Range Rover 1,935]

FFS, drop it. On the one hand, there's a difference between brave and stupid, and on the other, when - for all his sins - has Bennell not backed into a pack this season when he could have?

More mindless rhetoric.

I won't drop it until we see players of his ilk walk off the field a bit bruised and battered, having earned the right to wear a red and blue guernsey.

Dermie was right, some of our players empty the ice baths before the game knowing they won't need it.

It might be rhetoric, but it's true rhetoric.

Edited June 1, 2011 by Range Rover

[H_T 2,941]

I won't drop it until we see players of his ilk walk off the field a bit bruised and battered, having earned the right to wear a red and blue guernsey.

Dermie was right, some of our players empty the ice baths before the game knowing they won't need it.

It might be rhetoric, but it's true rhetoric.

Actually, he referred to our forwards.

[bing181 8,228]

It might be rhetoric, but it's true rhetoric.

Ok, but then if it's true, once again, when has Bennell not backed into a pack this season when he could have?

[satyricon 267]

I won't drop it until we see players of his ilk walk off the field a bit bruised and battered, having earned the right to wear a red and blue guernsey.

Dermie was right, some of our players empty the ice baths before the game knowing they won't need it.

It might be rhetoric, but it's true rhetoric.

I will tell you what you need to do, if you can beg, borrow or steal a change room pass after the game, wait around quite a while, then you will see the players start to ice up parts that are sore, coz they have to, they have been told by the medical staff.....I went once and Col Sylvia ended up looking like he belonged in the frozen food section.....Bennell is getting there, they used to say the same thing about Varcoe, I take it you always crash into packs when you play do you?

[Hannabal 4]

FFS, drop it. On the one hand, there's a difference between brave and stupid, and on the other, when - for all his sins - has Bennell not backed into a pack this season when he could have?

More mindless rhetoric.

If you don't think that Bennell is as soft as butter then I don't know what you look at when you go to the footy.

[Axis of Bob 10,390]

You have a wonderful way of missing the point, intentionally or otherwise, in order to make an argument simpler for yourself to understand, Hannabal.

Sometimes you do it by just not replying to a post at all - which at least gives me feedback on the strength of my own argument. If you choose to respond, the thread is still on the front page ...

[old dee 23,014]

If you don't think that Bennell is as soft as butter then I don't know what you look at when you go to the footy.

When was the last time he had a collision of any kind?\

The up side is he is never injured!

[Pink Freud 326]

If anyone wants to cast aspersions on any player who takes the football field at this level and call them soft, they need their heads read. That doesn't necessarily mean that some are not as hard as others but this is a tough game and I'm in awe of anyone who walks out onto a footy field to play in the AFL.

Regarding the opening post, I don't mind satire but I think it's going over the top to denigrate others' opinions. I'd hate to see these forums become groupthink tanks but if you really want your way, why don't we all agree to ditch our names and avatars and call ourselves by numbers and then we can all act and think like robots?

[bing181 8,228]

If you don't think that Bennell is as soft as butter then I don't know what you look at when you go to the footy.

This has nothing to do with what I think or what I look at.

A specific claim was made about Bennell not backing into packs. I (for one) am still waiting for specific instances to support that specific allegation. If none are forthcoming, then the original (and false) claim should be withdrawn by the poster.

The straw man in action.

Edited June 1, 2011 by bing181

[Hannabal 4]

You have a wonderful way of missing the point, intentionally or otherwise, in order to make an argument simpler for yourself to understand, Hannabal.

Sometimes you do it by just not replying to a post at all - which at least gives me feedback on the strength of my own argument. If you choose to respond, the thread is still on the front page ...

My own personal little follower. How cute.

Wtf are you talking about now wonderboy ?

[Harrisonrules 273]

Meanwhile back in Realityville ... Jamie Bennell won't back into a pack and the club condones it by continuing to select him.

How many times have you been on the bash Bennell theme. Lift your own game.

[Axis of Bob 10,390]

My own personal little follower. How cute.

Wtf are you talking about now wonderboy ?

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26185-dean-bailey-i-hope-youre-watching/page__view__findpost__p__437937

If you're going to engage in a chest beating and then write poorly thought out, logically inconsistent tripe then you deserve to be called on it. Running away and pretending it doesn't exist does not give credibility to either yourself or your argument.

If you want to tell everyone how big your dick is, then at some point someone is going to pull your pants down for all to see.

[Range Rover 1,935]

This has nothing to do with what I think or what I look at.

A specific claim was made about Bennell not backing into packs. I (for one) am still waiting for specific instances to support that specific allegation. If none are forthcoming, then the original (and false) claim should be withdrawn by the poster.

The straw man in action.

Mate if you want to split hairs go ahead. I'll rephrase ... when was the last time you saw him take the most direct route into the heat of a contest.

"Ahh gotcha!!" Spare me. He's soft and anyone who denies it has their head buried in the snow.

It doesn't mean he can't changed or is finished. He's got talent no doubt about it. But that, as we all know, will never ever be enough.

Edited June 1, 2011 by Range Rover

[Range Rover 1,935]

How many times have you been on the bash Bennell theme. Lift your own game.

Don't know, A couple of time maybe? Look through my posts. I applaud effort and excellence and criticize performances lacking those qualities. Pretty simple.

What I don't do is stand and clap like an automaton everything and everyone within the MFC. I know some here just can't stand that but too bad.

Edited June 1, 2011 by Range Rover

[Trisul 649]

Why do you think that Bailey is a really good coach ?

Is there anyone else in your sights Hannabal?

[Akum 2,660]

Why do you think that Bailey is a really good coach ?

The silence is deafening.

[bing181 8,228]

What I don't do is stand and clap like an automaton everything and everyone within the MFC. I know some here just can't stand that but too bad.

OK, so here we go again ... where (for example in this thread) is anyone standing and applauding everything and everyone at the MFC?

Same old spurious BS from you. You have no arguments to support your position(s) - so you just make them up.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Regarding the opening post, I don't mind satire but I think it's going over the top to denigrate others' opinions. I'd hate to see these forums become groupthink tanks but if you really want your way, why don't we all agree to ditch our names and avatars and call ourselves by numbers and then we can all act and think like robots?

Talk about irony, the OP denigrates the denigrators, who you then denigrate and get denigrated in return. It's a veritible orgy of denigration.

Depends I suppose how you define "denigrate" I suppose but these discussions will always generate some degree of disagreement between individuals, it's all about maintaining some degree of class, decorum and humour. The OP does it well in my opinion.

[Range Rover 1,935]

OK, so here we go again ... where (for example in this thread) is anyone standing and applauding everything and everyone at the MFC?

Same old spurious BS from you. You have no arguments to support your position(s) - so you just make them up.

That's it ... keep playing the man and not the ball.Obviously I've hit a nerve with you. Good.

Edited June 2, 2011 by Range Rover