Yokozuna's post aside, this thread is a joke.

Shmekel

Hahahah OMG, too good, too good.. I guess you can't be too upset if people think you are a d*ck!

total gun, this proves the club recognises that also. He is going to cause so much damage while the opposition is focussed on stopping Sylvia, Davey, Scully, Trengove, McKenzie, Gysberts etc

total gun, this proves the club recognises that also. He is going to cause so much damage while the opposition is focussed on stopping Sylvia, Davey, Scully, Trengove, McKenzie, Gysberts etc

I'm interested in getting an insight into your thought process here.

Do you actually, honestly believe that Bennell moving from 43 to 7 is a direct result of form? Is it a given in your mind that the best players get the lower numbers?

If so, what the f**k happened to Simon Buckley? And you must really think Jamar is a waste of space.

Shmekel

Hahahah OMG, too good, too good.. I guess you can't be too upset if people think you are a d*ck!

I like what he has done with his favourite players.

Jury is still out for me with Bennell!

He has one good game and then two very ordinary ones.

Needs a good 2011 before I would change his number.

from the interview it seems things are going "really really" well...

I'm interested in getting an insight into your thought process here.

Do you actually, honestly believe that Bennell moving from 43 to 7 is a direct result of form? Is it a given in your mind that the best players get the lower numbers?

If so, what the f**k happened to Simon Buckley? And you must really think Jamar is a waste of space.

yes i do 'actually, honestly believe' that the club wouldnt give 7 to someone they didnt think was going to make it. I also believe the kid is a gun, are you disputing that or just being a bit of a Wally

Simon Buckley just stopped developing and never went anywhere, it happens, it could happen to JB also

Jamar just probably wants to keep his old number as some do

why do you think the old locker bays between 1-10 were called hollywood boulevard (or something like that)

hows that for insight hero

Jury is still out for me with Bennell!

He has one good game and then two very ordinary ones.

Needs a good 2011 before I would change his number.

I think the jury's out with many. Hasn't really settled into a position (played varying parts of the year as a forward pocket, half forward, and half back), and certainly doesn't show consistency, neither across a season or even within a game. Sometimes will explode onto the scene for a quarter or a half but will go missing for the remainder of the match.

I think the jury's out with many. Hasn't really settled into a position (played varying parts of the year as a forward pocket, half forward, and half back), and certainly doesn't show consistency, neither across a season or even within a game. Sometimes will explode onto the scene for a quarter or a half but will go missing for the remainder of the match.

gee you never see that type of thing with young players do you mr.insight

yes i do 'actually, honestly believe' that the club wouldnt give 7 to someone they didnt think was going to make it. I also believe the kid is a gun, are you disputing that or just being a bit of a Wally

Simon Buckley just stopped developing and never went anywhere, it happens, it could happen to JB also

Jamar just probably wants to keep his old number as some do

why do you think the old locker bays between 1-10 were called hollywood boulevard (or something like that)

hows that for insight hero

Thankyou.

My above post will show you my POV on Bennell. Suffice to say, I don't rate him as you do.

Furthermore, I dispute the entire notion of the numbers 1-10 being any more important or presitigious than the other numbers. I have always believed that you are given a number when you arrive at the club, and you make that number your own. I hate it when players change mid-career for the sake of changing. If you get 47 when you start, you should make a career out of it. Make some history of your own, rather than, upon showing any semblance of form, shift to a famous player's number instead.

And I'm not a hero. But thanks all the same.

Thankyou.

My above post will show you my POV on Bennell. Suffice to say, I don't rate him as you do.

Furthermore, I dispute the entire notion of the numbers 1-10 being any more important or presitigious than the other numbers. I have always believed that you are given a number when you arrive at the club, and you make that number your own. I hate it when players change mid-career for the sake of changing. If you get 47 when you start, you should make a career out of it. Make some history of your own, rather than, upon showing any semblance of form, shift to a famous player's number instead.

And I'm not a hero. But thanks all the same.

that's your personal view on jumper numbers in general, not the CLUB's view, which is what is in discussion

I seem to recall Lyon, Stynes, Schwarz, Viney, Neitz, Flower etc all having low numbers which is suggestive that there is a tradition of giving your guns the low ones, wouldn't you agree?

and yes obviously there are exceptions to that general trend, before you trot that out

If you get 47 when you start, you should make a career out of it. Make some history of your own, rather than, upon showing any semblance of form, shift to a famous player's number instead.

But if every player gets a high number when they arrive then who will populate the lower numbers?

If those kids must stick with 51 for their career does that not mean that we will be giving lower and lower numbers to recruits in about a decades time?

And will you then abhor the players for seeking higher numbers and that they should keep their lower numbers because they are the ones they are given.

I guess what I am trying to say is that this is a silly argument and that if players want to lobby for numbers they can do that.

A number does not a player make. Why make a big deal out of it?

I couldn't give a continental about jumper numbers for players...yeah they look good..but just deliver a flag.

"Don't give me the labour pains.....just give me the baby."

- Denis Pagan

I couldn't give a continental about jumper numbers for players...yeah they look good..but just deliver a flag.

"Don't give me the labour pains.....just give me the baby."

- Denis Pagan

Correct. And for all you precious types regarding who is eligible for the coveted and highly regarded No7, here is the past 50 years of No7 wearers:

1963 1964 Owen Zinko

1966 1975 Graham Osborne (No. 24, 1976 1977)

1976 Ray Smith (No. 43, 1975)

1977 1979 Barry Denny

1980 1981 Phil Pinnell

1982 1990 Brian Wilson

1991 Rod Owen

1992 1999 Darren Kowal

2000 - 2002 Stephen Powell

2003 Gary Moorcroft

2004 - 2010 Brad Miller (No. 37, 2002 2003)

Aside for Brian Wilson and Stephen Powell, the No 7 jumper has not done alot. And you cant tell me that Darren Kowal and Gary Moorcroft were deserving the No 7 jumper more than Bennell.

We are really sweating the small stuff here kiddies.

And BTW I wont hear of a bad word against Owen Zinko either!

that's your personal view on jumper numbers in general, not the CLUB's view, which is what is in discussion

I seem to recall Lyon, Stynes, Schwarz, Viney, Neitz, Flower etc all having low numbers which is suggestive that there is a tradition of giving your guns the low ones, wouldn't you agree?

and yes obviously there are exceptions to that general trend, before you trot that out

So I disagree with the club's view then.

There are exceptions to that general trend by the way.

But if every player gets a high number when they arrive then who will populate the lower numbers?

If those kids must stick with 51 for their career does that not mean that we will be giving lower and lower numbers to recruits in about a decades time?

And will you then abhor the players for seeking higher numbers and that they should keep their lower numbers because they are the ones they are given.

I guess what I am trying to say is that this is a silly argument and that if players want to lobby for numbers they can do that.

A number does not a player make. Why make a big deal out of it?

I think it's pretty obvious. Every year there is an intake of players. At this time there are vacant numbers, either due to delistings/retirements from the current year or simply because they weren't in use. These new players then are awarded these free numbers. Simple.

If, for some reason, there are only numbers in the 30-50 range available, then so be it. Conversely, if there are lots of low numbers available, use them.

My point is, I don't see why 1-10 have to be any more important than 40-50, and if you are given 49 when you show up, even if it's only because nothing else is available at the time, and some dud who has a lower number is delisted the next year, that is you number and you should stay with it.

I think your last sentence works both ways, i.e. given the number has no importance why must Bennell move from 43 to 7? Or anyone move, ever?

I think your last sentence works both ways, i.e. given the number has no importance why must Bennell move from 43 to 7? Or anyone move, ever?

Of course it works both ways.

But you can't say 'numbers aren't important' and 'no-one should change' in the same sentence.

You are giving them importance by players being held to them.

Of course it works both ways.

But you can't say 'numbers aren't important' and 'no-one should change' in the same sentence.

You are giving them importance by players being held to them.

True. But it's clear where I'm coming from.

Quite simply, a player ought play their entire career in the number they're given when they first arrive at the club. That's where the importance of a number ends.

Like most others, I couldn't give a rats which player gets which number, or which numbers are represented in our next premiership team.

Correct. And for all you precious types regarding who is eligible for the coveted and highly regarded No7, here is the past 50 years of No7 wearers:

1963 – 1964 Owen Zinko

1966 – 1975 Graham Osborne (No. 24, 1976 – 1977)

1976 Ray Smith (No. 43, 1975)

1977 – 1979 Barry Denny

1980 – 1981 Phil Pinnell

1982 – 1990 Brian Wilson

1991 Rod Owen

1992 – 1999 Darren Kowal

2000 - 2002 Stephen Powell

2003 Gary Moorcroft

2004 - 2010 Brad Miller (No. 37, 2002 – 2003)

Aside for Brian Wilson and Stephen Powell, the No 7 jumper has not done alot. And you cant tell me that Darren Kowal and Gary Moorcroft were deserving the No 7 jumper more than Bennell.

We are really sweating the small stuff here kiddies.

And BTW I wont hear of a bad word against Owen Zinko either!

Graeme Osborne (pronounced Grey eme!) was a cult hero in our house when i first went to the footy, can't remember why exactly but he must have been good!! B)

True. But it's clear where I'm coming from.

Quite simply, a player ought play their entire career in the number they're given when they first arrive at the club. That's where the importance of a number ends.

Like most others, I couldn't give a rats which player gets which number, or which numbers are represented in our next premiership team.

As I said - I think you are being a little inconsistent.

But the importance of numbers shouldn't be denied - for players there is significance in certain numbers, for supporters there is significance in certain numbers.

I appluad us making Watts, Scully, and Trengove apart of our future and our history by giving them a connection to Smith, Barassi, and Neitz/Dixon. You may say to players that you should be stuck with the number you are given but if the club picks and chooses numbers for some then isn't that notion dead in the water?

If a player wants a particular number then that is fine aswell. I think LJ wanted 15 from memory and we wanted to give him 24 for obvious reasons. Bail wanted 44. Blease wants a lower number. Bennell is going to get 7.

I really don't see an issue with it.

As far as i am concerned it's up to Jamie Bennell. Is he happy changing from 43 to 7.

He may wish to keep that number. Remember the Wiz when he changed to 8? no, i am not suprised & he went back to 33.

Numbers can be important to a player. Up to him, as long as he gets better next season i do not care.

As far as i am concerned it's up to Jamie Bennell. Is he happy changing from 43 to 7.

He may wish to keep that number. Remember the Wiz when he changed to 8? no, i am not suprised & he went back to 33.

Numbers can be important to a player. Up to him, as long as he gets better next season i do not care.

For some the number is almost a trademark (I might be wrong, but didn't Judd carry his number over to Carlton from West Coast?) and I suppose there is a (small) possibility that a single digit number is more easily identified, not to mention that fact that it will save mum's all over the country considerable sewing (or ironing) time

Numbers can have a meaning to the players... in a different sport, but along the same lines, MotoGP rider Valentino Rossi, despite being world champion numerous times refuses to wear the number 1 and has always carried the number 46 because it has become his "trademark".

Edited December 1, 201014 yr by hardtack

Give the players what they're happy with or what the club might suggest and play footy.

For some the number is almost a trademark (I might be wrong, but didn't Judd carry his number over to Carlton from West Coast?) and I suppose there is a (small) possibility that a single digit number is more easily identified, not to mention that fact that it will save mum's all over the country considerable sewing (or ironing) time

Numbers can have a meaning to the players... in a different sport, but along the same lines, MotoGP rider Valentino Rossi, despite being world champion numerous times refuses to wear the number 1 and has always carried the number 46 because it has become his "trademark".

Yes "The Doctor" shalt always wear 46, and does he what!

Aside for Brian Wilson and Stephen Powell, the No 7 jumper has not done alot. And you cant tell me that Darren Kowal and Gary Moorcroft were deserving the No 7 jumper more than Bennell.

I thought Darren Kowal was a pretty good player. Quick mover out of the back line with good foot skills as I remember. Surprising to see on his Wikipedia entry that he was just 173 cms in height.