NFL

[Dr. Gonzo 22,412]

5 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

Olines are seriously underrated. If a team went out and got top 3-5 in every position their QB would have the best year they have ever had.

100%. I've thought for a few years that if you're building a team you need to build from the inside out. Building strong lines on both sides of the ball goes a hell of a way to building a great team. They are so under rated because most people don't see their work, the highlight reels are the QBs, WR, TE, RB, CB, S etc but it's the work in the trenches that allows these guys to flaunt their skill.

[Gorgoroth 12,315]

11 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

100%. I've thought for a few years that if you're building a team you need to build from the inside out. Building strong lines on both sides of the ball goes a hell of a way to building a great team. They are so under rated because most people don't see their work, the highlight reels are the QBs, WR, TE, RB, CB, S etc but it's the work in the trenches that allows these guys to flaunt their skill.

Yup, get a good oline that gets the run game going, and I don’t mean big chunk plays but consistent 3-5 yards per carry holds the middle linebackers which opens the pass game etc, conversely a great D line means the middle linebacker can drop back into coverage more often.

The thing that always bothers me is go back over the last 20 years and look at the SB winners and look at their D as a whole and also the oline. 

[layzie 28,716]

14 hours ago, Macca said:

 

 

                                     Regular Season Tipping Competition

 

Year               Winner                           Silver                               Bronze

2021              Go the Biff                    Clintosaurus                   DemonDave

                                                               JV7                                   layzie

                                                                                                         Gorgoroth

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2020              titan_uranus                 Gorgoroth                       Go the Biff

                       Clintosaurus

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2019             JV7                                 Go the Biff                      Gorgoroth

                                                              Macca                              Dee Zephyr

                                                                                                        Clintosaurus

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2018              DeeSpencer                 Clintosaurus                   Gorgoroth

                                                              Dappa Dan                       Dee Zephyr

                                                                                                         Macca                        

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2017              Clintosaurus                 Go the Biff                      Dappa Dan

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2016              Gorgoroth                     cowboy_from_hell          Clintosaurus

                                                                                                         DeeSpencer

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2015              Gorgoroth                      cowboy_from_hell         Macca

                                                               JV7

                                                               DeeSpencer

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2014              Dappa Dan                     DeeSpencer                  Gorgoroth

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2013              cowboy_from_hell       pantaloons                    Gorgoroth

                       Strafford                         Macca

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                                       Post Season Tipping Competition

 

Year              Winner                           Silver                              Bronze

2021            DemonDave                Gorgoroth                        Clintosaurus

                     Macca   

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2020            Go the Biff                   Dee Zephyr                      Macca

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2019             DemonDave                Go the Biff                       Macca

                      Dee Zephyr                  Gorgoroth

                     JV7                  

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2018            Gorgoroth                      Go the Biff                      DeeSpencer

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2017             Macca                           Clintosaurus                    Go the Biff

                                                                                                        JV7

                                                                                                        Gorgoroth

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2016             Gorgoroth                      JV7                                  Clintosaurus

                      Macca  

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2015             JV7                                 cowboy_from_hell         Gorgoroth

                      Macca                                                                      DeeSpencer

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2014              JV7                                pantaloons                     Gorgoroth

                       Go the Biff                                                              Macca

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2013             titan_uranus                  DemonDave                   cowboy_from_hell

                                                                                                        Macca

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                                                            Overall Medal Tally

                                                       Gold        Silver     Bronze

                   Gorgoroth                     4              3             7  

                    JV7                               4              3             1

                   Macca                           4              2             6

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                   Go the Biff                    3              4             2

                   Clintosaurus                 2              3             4

                   DemonDave                  2             1              1

                   titan_uranus                  2              0             0

                   cowboy_from_hell       1              3             1

                   DeeSpencer                  1              2             3

                   Dee Zephyr                    1             1              2 

                   Dappa Dan                    1              1              1

                   Strafford                        1              0              0

                   pantaloons                    0              2              0

                   layzie                              0              0              1

 

If you're reading the above on a phone, it all aligns best in the landscape mode ... should align properly on a pc

Oh wow I tied for 3rd last year without even knowing it haha.

Need Dappa back, he'd be loving life at the moment. 

[layzie 28,716]

12 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

100%. I've thought for a few years that if you're building a team you need to build from the inside out. Building strong lines on both sides of the ball goes a hell of a way to building a great team. They are so under rated because most people don't see their work, the highlight reels are the QBs, WR, TE, RB, CB, S etc but it's the work in the trenches that allows these guys to flaunt their skill.

That's right, everything starts on the line. I would never laugh at a rebuilding team if they went out and got the best Left/Right Tackle they could get before getting their QB. Protecting that blindside is way more important than people think and even some of the best QBs can't function without it. The one constant that Belichick always gave Tom Brady in New England was a steady line, he may not have provided him great receiver weapons all the time but their O-Line was usually servicable at worst and they had one of the best Line coaches in the business as well. 

It is a shame that these guys don't get the credit they deserve and it can be hard to see how an O-line is performing when watching live in the moment. I remember Mark Schlereth once saying when he watches football he really focuses on the line of scrimmage battle more so than the ball and play that develops.

Give me a good line and average receivers over the reverse scenario . 

[layzie 28,716]

1 hour ago, Gorgoroth said:

Yup, get a good oline that gets the run game going, and I don’t mean big chunk plays but consistent 3-5 yards per carry holds the middle linebackers which opens the pass game etc, conversely a great D line means the middle linebacker can drop back into coverage more often.

The thing that always bothers me is go back over the last 20 years and look at the SB winners and look at their D as a whole and also the oline. 

Exactly. Good run-blocking linemen (especially interior linemen) help with getting those north-south runs for the 3-5 years a carry. Consistently it adds up and it I hate the term but it really is the definition of 'run to setup the pass'. 

[Macca 16,173]

4 hours ago, layzie said:

Oh wow I tied for 3rd last year without even knowing it haha.

Need Dappa back, he'd be loving life at the moment. 

Not sure with Dappa, ... IIRC, he's previously spent a fair bit of time in the USA (working?) ... if not, I hope he is ok as well as 'Cowboy from Hell'

As for the honour board, over a 2 year stretch it's quite possible to get 4 podium finishes as well as a couple of Gold's!  So it pays to always fight it out to the finish (a good adage in life too)

[layzie 28,716]

5 minutes ago, Macca said:

Not sure with Dappa, ... IIRC, he's previously spent a fair bit of time in the USA (working?) ... if not, I hope he is ok as well as 'Cowboy from Hell'

As for the honour board, over a 2 year stretch it's quite possible to get 4 podium finishes as well as a couple of Gold's!  So it pays to always fight it out to the finish (a good adage in life too)

Yeah Cowboy takes my mind of this forum back a fair bit. Always great to chat music with. Had many a Pantera/ Opeth/metal chat with him!

[Macca 16,173]

46 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yeah Cowboy takes my mind of this forum back a fair bit. Always great to chat music with. Had many a Pantera/ Opeth/metal chat with him!

Forums like these aren't for everyone and not long term either (for many)

All the Demon friends and acquaintances I have don't involve themselves in social media ... maybe a bit of facebook but most have gone cold on that as well

[Macca 16,173]

Colts win a game with 7 only field goals & zero TD's! (12-9)

Will watch the highlights later to see whether the game was weather effected

[layzie 28,716]

2 hours ago, Macca said:

Forums like these aren't for everyone and not long term either (for many)

All the Demon friends and acquaintances I have don't involve themselves in social media ... maybe a bit of facebook but most have gone cold on that as well

Yeah it's true, I mean really it's an antiquated concept. I remember being on a forum for nearly every interest I had. This is the only one I'd be on now and the only MFC social media, don't do facebook stuff at all. 

[Macca 16,173]

5 minutes ago, layzie said:

Yeah it's true, I mean really it's an antiquated concept. I remember being on a forum for nearly every interest I had. This is the only one I'd be on now and the only MFC social media, don't do facebook stuff at all. 

There's nothing like catching up with people for real ... with the odd exception, anything ever said in person is taken with a grain of salt.  Agreeing to disagree is instantaneous!

[layzie 28,716]

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

There's nothing like catching up with people for real ... with the odd exception, anything ever said in person is taken with a grain of salt.  Agreeing to disagree is instantaneous!

Well I don't disagree with that! Especially at the footy. Those lockdowns really hurt a lot of us.

But yeah I've been on and off DL a lot over the years. Sometimes it's what you need, sometimes it isn't. 

[layzie 28,716]

2 hours ago, Macca said:

Colts win a game with 7 only field goals & zero TD's! (12-9)

Will watch the highlights later to see whether the game was weather effected

Watching highlights now, gee wiz this Broncos offense is a hard watch at the moment. 

[Gorgoroth 12,315]

That game was putrid.

 

@layzie I finally managed to get Blackwater Park 20yr anniversary on vinyl the other day. 

[Macca 16,173]

1 hour ago, Gorgoroth said:

That game was putrid.

 

@layzie I finally managed to get Blackwater Park 20yr anniversary on vinyl the other day. 

Re the Colts @ Broncos.  Glad I didn't do the tune out, record and watch later ...  even the short-version highlights were ordinary!

So it's Cranbourne races and the A league Derby for the night's entertainment!

[Gorgoroth 12,315]

4 minutes ago, Macca said:

Re the Colts @ Broncos.  Glad I didn't do the tune out, record and watch later ...  even the short-version highlights were ordinary!

So it's Cranbourne races and the A league Derby for the night's entertainment!

I got home and watched the replay and I found myself multi tasking and telling myself that one if the teams was going to get going…. I was wrong.

[Gorgoroth 12,315]

Charger, titans, niners

[Dee Zephyr 17,433]

Dolphins, Titans, Eagles 

[layzie 28,716]

On 10/7/2022 at 5:58 PM, Gorgoroth said:

That game was putrid.

 

@layzie I finally managed to get Blackwater Park 20yr anniversary on vinyl the other day. 

Classic! Got a go-to vinyl store?

[Clintosaurus 6,427]

49ers, Eagles, Titans

[Macca 16,173]

49ers,  Eagles,  Miami

[DeeSpencer 23,123]

Chargers, Niners, Eagles 

[Gorgoroth 12,315]

Williams from the chargers caught a pass at the first down marker, came back to try and get more yards, lost a yard so 8nstead of 1st down, they went to third and 1 and then failed to get the yard and gave the browns the ball back with 2 mins. FFS just get the first down, then worry about more.

[Gorgoroth 12,315]

So Josh Allen has 348yrds, pretty good game eh… oh wait, just the first half… 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

[Gorgoroth 12,315]

Chargers go for it on 4th & 2 at their 45 up by 2 and browns have no time outs… dumbest idea ever