3 hours ago, Macca said:

Fun for some!!

I don't use the word choke very often but the Packers should have won that game. Quite possibly ends the season for Green Bay to boot! (lose to the Ravens next week and it's as good as over)

The onside kick recovery for the Bears had an element of luck involved but not the QB fumble in overtime ... Packers blew it (big time)

However, to be fair, losing our best 2 players to ACL's (Micah & Kraft) put paid to any SB aspirations (IMV)

I agree to an extent but you were down to your third string TE, missing lineman, best edge rusher in the game and your QB got knocked out.

Hard to swallow, but I reckon you can beat the Ravens.

1 hour ago, Gorgoroth said:

I agree to an extent but you were down to your third string TE, missing lineman, best edge rusher in the game and your QB got knocked out.

Hard to swallow, but I reckon you can beat the Ravens.

Fair enough

I used to detest using injuries as an excuse but injuries are a genuine reason for not winning, if it's the stars that are affected

Especially if it's the our best edge-rusher defender, our best TE and our best QB

It's a simple equation for Green Bay ... win our last 2 games and we're in the playoffs

From there, we'll need a lot of luck

As you said, we need to beat the Ravens (first)

Edited December 21, 2025Dec 21 by Macca

13 hours ago, Macca said:

Fair enough

I used to detest using injuries as an excuse but injuries are a genuine reason for not winning, if it's the stars that are affected

Especially if it's the our best edge-rusher defender, our best TE and our best QB

It's a simple equation for Green Bay ... win our last 2 games and we're in the playoffs

From there, we'll need a lot of luck

As you said, we need to beat the Ravens (first)

I think NFL is one of the games where injuries matter if to certain players, which is why a certain team this year have been amazing due to all their injuries...

Huge win for Jacksonville this morning - the #1 seed in the AFC is open for business.

Thank you, Steelers!!

On 21/12/2025 at 15:42, Macca said:

Fun for some!!

I don't use the word choke very often but the Packers should have won that game. Quite possibly ends the season for Green Bay to boot! (lose to the Ravens next week and it's as good as over)

The onside kick recovery for the Bears had an element of luck involved but not the QB fumble in overtime ... Packers blew it (big time)

However, to be fair, losing our best 2 players to ACL's (Micah & Kraft) put paid to any SB aspirations (IMV)

Parsons has been a revelation, from a neutral point of view you hate seeing these guys go down. They're such difference makers, how many times do you see the balance of power in a division or conference shift when a brilliant edge rusher changes teams? Outside of QB they're arguably the next most important players.

Had they both stayed healthy I would have had the Pack making a sneaky SB run for sure.

22 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

I think NFL is one of the games where injuries matter if to certain players, which is why a certain team this year have been amazing due to all their injuries...

There is always a sweetspot in the NFL where you just can't overcome the injuries in certain positions. It's why regardless of our record I can't see us making an SB run when it gets to crunch time.

4 minutes ago, layzie said:

There is always a sweetspot in the NFL where you just can't overcome the injuries in certain positions. It's why regardless of our record I can't see us making an SB run when it gets to crunch time.

I think you can, simply because the best two sides in the NFC are div rivals and all shizen goes out the window in those games, And all it takes is for CMC to get hot.
But in saying that I think it will be a mighty effort to make it if you cant snag the #1 seed.

8 minutes ago, layzie said:

Parsons has been a revelation, from a neutral point of view you hate seeing these guys go down. They're such difference makers, how many times do you see the balance of power in a division or conference shift when a brilliant edge rusher changes teams? Outside of QB they're arguably the next most important players.

Had they both stayed healthy I would have had the Pack making a sneaky SB run for sure.

I actually think Kraft has and will be the bigger loss.

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Look at all the minuses in the away column!!! A ballsy punter could have 6 points before Saturday all going as expected.

Steelers

Pats

Seahawks

Patriots, Seahawks, Rams

Broncos, Patriots, Rams

Broncos, Rams, Patriots

Dallas, Pats, Broncos

Broncos pats seahawks

Thank you, Vikings!

Steelers, Jags, Buccaneers

Steelers, Patriots, Seahawks

Anyone calling the NFC West at this stage is on some serious party powder.

On 23/12/2025 at 09:02, Gorgoroth said:

I actually think Kraft has and will be the bigger loss.

Big call. Not outrageous but they did win 4 on the trot after Kraft went down. After losing Parsons at Mile High the D kind of fell to bits.

Can't make a run without a pass rush, I stand by that.

Edited December 27, 2025Dec 27 by layzie

2 hours ago, layzie said:

Big call. Not outrageous but they did win 4 on the trot after Kraft went down. After losing Parsons at Mile High the D kind of fell to bits.

Can't make a run without a pass rush, I stand by that.

It's both (Micah & Kraft)

Plus, Love is prone to making unforced errors ... with Kraft there, Love often only had to throw the ball short

Micah makes his fellow defenders better so with him out, we revert to kind

Still, the Packers have made the playoffs but I'm not sure we'll get past the first week

9 hours ago, layzie said:

Big call. Not outrageous but they did win 4 on the trot after Kraft went down. After losing Parsons at Mile High the D kind of fell to bits.

Can't make a run without a pass rush, I stand by that.

My take is the packers were top 5 D last year and are still very very sound without Micah, Kraft, well, stats tell a story

• Receiving Yards/Game: 67.0 (1st among TEs).

• Passer Rating When Targeted: 150.3 (Highest QB-Pass Catcher Duo in NFL).

• Targets: 41, with 30 catches for 469 yards and 6 TDs (tied for 2nd in TDs at that point).

• Target Separation: +42.3% (2nd best for TEs).

• Dominator Rating: 34.9% (2nd best for TEs). 

I think he still leads most yards by a TE and has missed the last 7 games or what ever it is.

Fantastic win by the Browns this morning. Few games for the division next week.