Dr. Gonzo 24,468 Posted October 6, 2022 Posted October 6, 2022 5 hours ago, Gorgoroth said: Olines are seriously underrated. If a team went out and got top 3-5 in every position their QB would have the best year they have ever had. 100%. I've thought for a few years that if you're building a team you need to build from the inside out. Building strong lines on both sides of the ball goes a hell of a way to building a great team. They are so under rated because most people don't see their work, the highlight reels are the QBs, WR, TE, RB, CB, S etc but it's the work in the trenches that allows these guys to flaunt their skill. 2 1 Quote
Gorgoroth 13,216 Posted October 6, 2022 Posted October 6, 2022 11 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: 100%. I've thought for a few years that if you're building a team you need to build from the inside out. Building strong lines on both sides of the ball goes a hell of a way to building a great team. They are so under rated because most people don't see their work, the highlight reels are the QBs, WR, TE, RB, CB, S etc but it's the work in the trenches that allows these guys to flaunt their skill. Yup, get a good oline that gets the run game going, and I don’t mean big chunk plays but consistent 3-5 yards per carry holds the middle linebackers which opens the pass game etc, conversely a great D line means the middle linebacker can drop back into coverage more often. The thing that always bothers me is go back over the last 20 years and look at the SB winners and look at their D as a whole and also the oline. 1 Quote
layzie 34,528 Posted October 6, 2022 Posted October 6, 2022 14 hours ago, Macca said: Regular Season Tipping Competition Year Winner Silver Bronze 2021 Go the Biff Clintosaurus DemonDave JV7 layzie Gorgoroth -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2020 titan_uranus Gorgoroth Go the Biff Clintosaurus --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2019 JV7 Go the Biff Gorgoroth Macca Dee Zephyr Clintosaurus --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2018 DeeSpencer Clintosaurus Gorgoroth Dappa Dan Dee Zephyr Macca --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2017 Clintosaurus Go the Biff Dappa Dan --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2016 Gorgoroth cowboy_from_hell Clintosaurus DeeSpencer --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2015 Gorgoroth cowboy_from_hell Macca JV7 DeeSpencer --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2014 Dappa Dan DeeSpencer Gorgoroth --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2013 cowboy_from_hell pantaloons Gorgoroth Strafford Macca --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post Season Tipping Competition Year Winner Silver Bronze 2021 DemonDave Gorgoroth Clintosaurus Macca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2020 Go the Biff Dee Zephyr Macca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2019 DemonDave Go the Biff Macca Dee Zephyr Gorgoroth JV7 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2018 Gorgoroth Go the Biff DeeSpencer --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2017 Macca Clintosaurus Go the Biff JV7 Gorgoroth --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2016 Gorgoroth JV7 Clintosaurus Macca --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2015 JV7 cowboy_from_hell Gorgoroth Macca DeeSpencer --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2014 JV7 pantaloons Gorgoroth Go the Biff Macca --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2013 titan_uranus DemonDave cowboy_from_hell Macca --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Overall Medal Tally Gold Silver Bronze Gorgoroth 4 3 7 JV7 4 3 1 Macca 4 2 6 ---------------------------------------------------- Go the Biff 3 4 2 Clintosaurus 2 3 4 DemonDave 2 1 1 titan_uranus 2 0 0 cowboy_from_hell 1 3 1 DeeSpencer 1 2 3 Dee Zephyr 1 1 2 Dappa Dan 1 1 1 Strafford 1 0 0 pantaloons 0 2 0 layzie 0 0 1 If you're reading the above on a phone, it all aligns best in the landscape mode ... should align properly on a pc Oh wow I tied for 3rd last year without even knowing it haha. Need Dappa back, he'd be loving life at the moment. 1 Quote
layzie 34,528 Posted October 6, 2022 Posted October 6, 2022 12 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: 100%. I've thought for a few years that if you're building a team you need to build from the inside out. Building strong lines on both sides of the ball goes a hell of a way to building a great team. They are so under rated because most people don't see their work, the highlight reels are the QBs, WR, TE, RB, CB, S etc but it's the work in the trenches that allows these guys to flaunt their skill. That's right, everything starts on the line. I would never laugh at a rebuilding team if they went out and got the best Left/Right Tackle they could get before getting their QB. Protecting that blindside is way more important than people think and even some of the best QBs can't function without it. The one constant that Belichick always gave Tom Brady in New England was a steady line, he may not have provided him great receiver weapons all the time but their O-Line was usually servicable at worst and they had one of the best Line coaches in the business as well. It is a shame that these guys don't get the credit they deserve and it can be hard to see how an O-line is performing when watching live in the moment. I remember Mark Schlereth once saying when he watches football he really focuses on the line of scrimmage battle more so than the ball and play that develops. Give me a good line and average receivers over the reverse scenario . 1 Quote
layzie 34,528 Posted October 6, 2022 Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Gorgoroth said: Yup, get a good oline that gets the run game going, and I don’t mean big chunk plays but consistent 3-5 yards per carry holds the middle linebackers which opens the pass game etc, conversely a great D line means the middle linebacker can drop back into coverage more often. The thing that always bothers me is go back over the last 20 years and look at the SB winners and look at their D as a whole and also the oline. Exactly. Good run-blocking linemen (especially interior linemen) help with getting those north-south runs for the 3-5 years a carry. Consistently it adds up and it I hate the term but it really is the definition of 'run to setup the pass'. 2 Quote
Macca 17,127 Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 4 hours ago, layzie said: Oh wow I tied for 3rd last year without even knowing it haha. Need Dappa back, he'd be loving life at the moment. Not sure with Dappa, ... IIRC, he's previously spent a fair bit of time in the USA (working?) ... if not, I hope he is ok as well as 'Cowboy from Hell' As for the honour board, over a 2 year stretch it's quite possible to get 4 podium finishes as well as a couple of Gold's! So it pays to always fight it out to the finish (a good adage in life too) 1 Quote
layzie 34,528 Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Macca said: Not sure with Dappa, ... IIRC, he's previously spent a fair bit of time in the USA (working?) ... if not, I hope he is ok as well as 'Cowboy from Hell' As for the honour board, over a 2 year stretch it's quite possible to get 4 podium finishes as well as a couple of Gold's! So it pays to always fight it out to the finish (a good adage in life too) Yeah Cowboy takes my mind of this forum back a fair bit. Always great to chat music with. Had many a Pantera/ Opeth/metal chat with him! 2 Quote
Macca 17,127 Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 46 minutes ago, layzie said: Yeah Cowboy takes my mind of this forum back a fair bit. Always great to chat music with. Had many a Pantera/ Opeth/metal chat with him! Forums like these aren't for everyone and not long term either (for many) All the Demon friends and acquaintances I have don't involve themselves in social media ... maybe a bit of facebook but most have gone cold on that as well Quote
Macca 17,127 Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 Colts win a game with 7 only field goals & zero TD's! (12-9) Will watch the highlights later to see whether the game was weather effected Quote
layzie 34,528 Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Macca said: Forums like these aren't for everyone and not long term either (for many) All the Demon friends and acquaintances I have don't involve themselves in social media ... maybe a bit of facebook but most have gone cold on that as well Yeah it's true, I mean really it's an antiquated concept. I remember being on a forum for nearly every interest I had. This is the only one I'd be on now and the only MFC social media, don't do facebook stuff at all. Quote
Macca 17,127 Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, layzie said: Yeah it's true, I mean really it's an antiquated concept. I remember being on a forum for nearly every interest I had. This is the only one I'd be on now and the only MFC social media, don't do facebook stuff at all. There's nothing like catching up with people for real ... with the odd exception, anything ever said in person is taken with a grain of salt. Agreeing to disagree is instantaneous! Quote
layzie 34,528 Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Macca said: There's nothing like catching up with people for real ... with the odd exception, anything ever said in person is taken with a grain of salt. Agreeing to disagree is instantaneous! Well I don't disagree with that! Especially at the footy. Those lockdowns really hurt a lot of us. But yeah I've been on and off DL a lot over the years. Sometimes it's what you need, sometimes it isn't. 1 Quote
layzie 34,528 Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Macca said: Colts win a game with 7 only field goals & zero TD's! (12-9) Will watch the highlights later to see whether the game was weather effected Watching highlights now, gee wiz this Broncos offense is a hard watch at the moment. Quote
Gorgoroth 13,216 Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 That game was putrid. @layzie I finally managed to get Blackwater Park 20yr anniversary on vinyl the other day. 1 Quote
Macca 17,127 Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Gorgoroth said: That game was putrid. @layzie I finally managed to get Blackwater Park 20yr anniversary on vinyl the other day. Re the Colts @ Broncos. Glad I didn't do the tune out, record and watch later ... even the short-version highlights were ordinary! So it's Cranbourne races and the A league Derby for the night's entertainment! Quote
Gorgoroth 13,216 Posted October 7, 2022 Posted October 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Macca said: Re the Colts @ Broncos. Glad I didn't do the tune out, record and watch later ... even the short-version highlights were ordinary! So it's Cranbourne races and the A league Derby for the night's entertainment! I got home and watched the replay and I found myself multi tasking and telling myself that one if the teams was going to get going…. I was wrong. 1 Quote
layzie 34,528 Posted October 8, 2022 Posted October 8, 2022 On 10/7/2022 at 5:58 PM, Gorgoroth said: That game was putrid. @layzie I finally managed to get Blackwater Park 20yr anniversary on vinyl the other day. Classic! Got a go-to vinyl store? Quote
Gorgoroth 13,216 Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 Williams from the chargers caught a pass at the first down marker, came back to try and get more yards, lost a yard so 8nstead of 1st down, they went to third and 1 and then failed to get the yard and gave the browns the ball back with 2 mins. FFS just get the first down, then worry about more. Quote
Gorgoroth 13,216 Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 So Josh Allen has 348yrds, pretty good game eh… oh wait, just the first half… 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮 Quote
Gorgoroth 13,216 Posted October 9, 2022 Posted October 9, 2022 Chargers go for it on 4th & 2 at their 45 up by 2 and browns have no time outs… dumbest idea ever 1 Quote
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