Brent Grgic, Big Al, Godders, Belly, Ferg and CJ all polled Brownlow votes for us.

Big Al was a good footballer!

The rest of them - too funny.

not a single vote - really? I think the opposite.

Not this season.

I don't recall him having any games where he was clearly in the votes.

There were games where he was a valuable contributor, but I don't think much more.

not a single vote - really? I think the opposite.

is the opposite to getting no votes, winning the brownlow? You'd get some good odds on that!

I guess it depends on whether you value the input on list management of McLaren or Wenn over Bailey and Connolly.

Brent Grgic, Big Al, Godders, Belly, Ferg and CJ all polled Brownlow votes for us.

Say no more.

is the opposite to getting no votes, winning the brownlow? You'd get some good odds on that!

nope but will be surprised if he gets none.

Well he got one. 1 vote in Round 5 vs Brisbane.

How did he get a vote ahead of Trengove in round 5?

Well he got one. 1 vote in Round 5 vs Brisbane.

How did he get a vote ahead of Trengove in round 5?

I know. Remember it's the umpires that vote. They probably didn't know Trengove.

I'm a big supporter of Jones and would be more than happy to keep him at the club, but if losing him meant attaining the likes of Andrew Gaff or Jack Darling, then it's just what needs to happen.

Nathan is ( for him ) I suppose in that category that is neither essential to the club nor so standout that he stamps his own passport. He is distinctly motr. That will mean hes movable. Handy to keep...but not a priority.

I'm a big supporter of Jones and would be more than happy to keep him at the club, but if losing him meant attaining the likes of Andrew Gaff or Jack Darling, then it's just what needs to happen.

The Saints, in the window.

Last year they lost Ball to the Pies, & Armitage hasn't come on. May yet be traded out.

Jones is much like Ball, IMO, but can kick long goals, & is AFL hardened, ready for finals football. The Saints will lose Hayes in the not too distant future.

Jonesy was a keen Sainter as a boy. He could be a good fit for each other & for us.

Pick #24 wouldn't do it for me.

Any thoughts?

The Saints, in the window.

Last year they lost Ball to the Pies, & Armitage hasn't come on. May yet be traded out.

Jones is much like Ball, IMO, but can kick long goals, & is AFL hardened, ready for finals football. The Saints will lose Hayes in the not too distant future.

Jonesy was a keen Sainter as a boy. He could be a good fit for each other & for us.

Pick #24 wouldn't do it for me.

Any thoughts?

Rhys Stanley and Pick 24 too the Dee's for Jones and Pick 29 too the Saints.

I like Jonesy but we have too many similiar to all play in the best 22. Moloney, McKenzie, Bartram and Jones all in the one side make us vulnerable.

Sometimes I think people only want to manage the 'top six' list rather the whole team list.

Jones is 'value for money' in salary cap terms and worth the spot on the list. Good training attitude and seems to be an enthusiastic club person.

If if doesn't improve from here, he's worth keeping. If he improves a notch, then he's well worth keeping.

Jones is 'value for money' in salary cap terms ...

If he's value for money I am positive he'll be with us in 2011.

Jones is much like Ball, IMO, but can kick long goals, & is AFL hardened, ready for finals football.

Gee we overrate our own. I know that Ball isn't the AA player and Best & Fairest winner that he was years ago, but Jones isn't in Ball's league.

Gee we overrate our own. I know that Ball isn't the AA player and Best & Fairest winner that he was years ago, but Jones isn't in Ball's league.

One might say Jones isn't in the Ball-park !!!!

Gee we overrate our own. I know that Ball isn't the AA player and Best & Fairest winner that he was years ago, but Jones isn't in Ball's league.

I didn't say that he was. Only that he plays a similar game & would be a quick fix/fit for the saints. I not been interested in Ball,, so haven't taken much notice of his football, so can't comment in any detail other than he's 'in 'n' under', wins contested footy & is a liability delivering the ball, can't kick over a jam tin.

So I reckon Jonesy may stack up well with the saints hierarchy.

I didn't say that he was. Only that he plays a similar game & would be a quick fix/fit for the saints. I not been interested in Ball,, so haven't taken much notice of his football, so can't comment in any detail other than he's 'in 'n' under', wins contested footy & is a liability delivering the ball, can't kick over a jam tin.

So I reckon Jonesy may stack up well with the saints hierarchy.

No, they want to inject more pace. They'd have zero interest in Jones.

No, they want to inject more pace. They'd have zero interest in Jones.

I know they need more pace.

I've been telling my Stkilda friends their midfield needs work for the last 2&1/2 years. They've tried to rectify that & Peake is helping.

But they also need in&unders. They don't have time on their side to develop such.

I know they need more pace.

I've been telling my Stkilda friends their midfield needs work for the last 2&1/2 years. They've tried to rectify that & Peake is helping.

But they also need in&unders.

Might some what depend on how they go this Saturday on what they think the need or dont need.

The Saints, in the window.

Last year they lost Ball to the Pies, & Armitage hasn't come on. May yet be traded out.

Jones is much like Ball, IMO, but can kick long goals, & is AFL hardened, ready for finals football. The Saints will lose Hayes in the not too distant future.

Jonesy was a keen Sainter as a boy. He could be a good fit for each other & for us.

Pick #24 wouldn't do it for me.

Any thoughts?

My post was based on trading him to the Gold Coast, Gaff and Darling will be top 8 selections for sure (maybe even top 5). Anything less than a top 8 pick for Jones isn't worth going for, GC have so many they can afford to throw one our way for a hardened proven midfielder to complement the likes of Ablett, Swallow and Rischitelli. A top 8 pick or keeping Jones on for a few more years, sounds like a win/win to me.

My post was based on trading him to the Gold Coast, Gaff and Darling will be top 8 selections for sure (maybe even top 5). Anything less than a top 8 pick for Jones isn't worth going for, GC have so many they can afford to throw one our way for a hardened proven midfielder to complement the likes of Ablett, Swallow and Rischitelli. A top 8 pick or keeping Jones on for a few more years, sounds like a win/win to me.

That would be nice, but even I don't think they'd give a pick that early for Nathan.

But we have time (3 years to get a tall or 2, up & going for our window. But, if we don't do it now, 2013 will arrive and our Big men won't be ready. Yes Jurrah will, & Watts should be right, but neither will play the He Man role.

The role that David Neitz, even if undersized by the end of his career, did with aplomb for us. And not forgetting Schwarta, who started as a fast mobile CHF, then finished in the role we need filled Now. That bulking strong big forward & ruck the OX did marvelously. But still must be able to chase & defend in todays demanding football.

IMO we need to get 1 elite CHB & one strong tall forward. Book Ends.

Then we need a tallish HBFlanker/Winger. Then another strong tall forward to insure we get one up & going.

I'd still try to trade for an mature strong forward on the cheap as well to 'temp' the position.

This draft will be regarded like the great draft that produced Frawley at 12 and Jack Riewoldt at 13.

It is high quality and deep.

A top 8 pick is not essential.

I'd trade Jones for anything in the top 20.

My post was based on trading him to the Gold Coast, Gaff and Darling will be top 8 selections for sure (maybe even top 5). Anything less than a top 8 pick for Jones isn't worth going for, GC have so many they can afford to throw one our way for a hardened proven midfielder to complement the likes of Ablett, Swallow and Rischitelli. A top 8 pick or keeping Jones on for a few more years, sounds like a win/win to me.

Why would GC trade when they can take him for free as uncontracted?

Fortunately this means I don't need to get started on the suggestion of a top 8 pick for Jones ...

Why would GC trade when they can take him for free as uncontracted?

Fortunately this means I don't need to get started on the suggestion of a top 8 pick for Jones ...

Because as far as I can tell he doesn't want to leave Melbourne, if he did or he wanted the dollars from the Gold Coast, he would be there already. It makes me think that Melbourne are delaying re-signing him until after trade week, which is a good move because as I said, a high pick from the Coast or sign Jones to another contract, it's a win/win situation.