Bartram Cheney and Tommy Mac re sign

[rpfc 27,531]

Why the 'wacko' emoticon? I know I am changing the topic slightly but I just want to explore this a tad.

My (very) early prediction:

2010 - OUT: Green (onto VL), Batram, PJ, Bell, and Dunn. IN: Spencer, McKenzie, Pick 10, Pick 30, Pick 47

2011 - OUT: Bail, Cheney, Miller, and McNamara. Not sure on any of those. I can't see many others other than Pick 34 and 50 from this coming draft. IN: Picks 14, 36, 54, 72

I know it's a strange topic, but I have been thinking about it of late.

[Crystal Dees 372]

Why the 'wacko' emoticon? I know I am changing the topic slightly but I just want to explore this a tad.

My (very) early prediction:

2010 - OUT: Green (onto VL), Batram, PJ, Bell, and Dunn. IN: Spencer, McKenzie, Pick 10, Pick 30, Pick 47

2011 - OUT: Bail, Cheney, Miller, and McNamara. Not sure on any of those. I can't see many others other than Pick 34 and 50 from this coming draft. IN: Picks 14, 36, 54, 72

I know it's a strange topic, but I have been thinking about it of late.

Didn't mean to offend, but trying to predict 2011 delistings is.....well.....umm... ....wacko! So much can change!

I like a lot of the stuff you post and know that you personally aren't, so I'll have a crack. However, despite my name, my balls aren't crystal so I can't be as specific as you. I can only catagorise players thusly;

2010 - Agree with Green, Bartram, PJ and Bell. Dunne is at risk but I would delist Newton & Meeson before him, hoping at least one can get promoted up from the rookie list to attain a pick. Dunne started as a promising forward and with his running capacity and height could pinch hit as a decoy KPP adding to his and our versatility. If he can't then 2011 isn't looking good for him. Junior will retire. Dropping 2 ruckmen is on the presumption Spencer earns a promotion and/or we recruit a ruckman in this draft. We also probably lose an uncontracted player to GC17.

2011 - Bail, very possible. Cheney I like and believe will kick on. Too early to tell with McNamara. Dunne and Miller are possibles and remember we will again probably lose an uncontracted player to GWS. Bruce might be gone by then and retire. Who knows what injuries will do and who will 'do a Brock'.

Edited November 12, 2009 by Crystal Dees

[rpfc 27,531]

Didn't mean to offend, but trying to predict 2011 delistings is.....well.....umm... ....wacko! So much can change!

I like a lot of the stuff you post and know that you personally aren't, so I'll have a crack. However, despite my name, my balls aren't crystal so I can't be as specific as you. I can only catagorise players thusly;

2010 - Agree with Green, Bartram, PJ and Bell. Dunne is at risk but I would delist Newton & Meeson before him, hoping at least one can get promoted up from the rookie list to attain a pick. Dunne started as a promising forward and with his running capacity and height could pinch hit as a decoy KPP adding to his and our versatility. If he can't then 2011 isn't looking good for him. Junior will retire. Dropping 2 ruckmen is on the presumption Spencer earns a promotion and/or we recruit a ruckman in this draft. We also probably lose an uncontracted player to GC17.

2011 - Bail, very possible. Cheney I like and believe will kick on. Too early to tell with McNamara. Dunne and Miller are possibles and remember we will again probably lose an uncontracted player to GWS. Bruce might be gone by then and retire. Who knows what injuries will do and who will 'do a Brock'.

Thankyou for humouring me with this tangent. My underlying point (which also brings it into how it is relevant right now) is that a number of fans want the 'deadwood' of 'list cloggers' removed all at once, but as we can see from this rudimentary exercise - deadwood is best moved off the list over years, lest you lose someone you don't want to lose, our recruit more 'deadwood.'

[titan_uranus 22,474]

This may raise some eyebrows, but in terms of delistings in 2011 (or possibly even 2010):

Maric?

Needs to really step up over the next two years, otherwise his spot will be taken by someone else (e.g. Jetta, Wonnaeamirri).

[1858 219]

2010 - OUT: Green (onto VL)

I don't think Green is eligible for VL until end of season 2011. He turned 28 this year (2 years younger than Bruce).

[rpfc 27,531]

I don't think Green is eligible for VL until end of season 2011. He turned 28 this year (2 years younger than Bruce).

He only has to turn 30 before Sept 30, 2011 to be eligible for the VL in 2011.

[1858 219]

He only has to turn 30 before Sept 30, 2011 to be eligible for the VL in 2011.

Ah, ok.

[rpfc 27,531]

This may raise some eyebrows, but in terms of delistings in 2011 (or possibly even 2010):

Maric?

Needs to really step up over the next two years, otherwise his spot will be taken by someone else (e.g. Jetta, Wonnaeamirri).

I have a feeling he will.

Or perhaps it's just hope.

[titan_uranus 22,474]

I have a feeling he will.

Or perhaps it's just hope.

I have a feeling he won't.

Perhaps I need some hope.

[Crystal Dees 372]

This may raise some eyebrows, but in terms of delistings in 2011 (or possibly even 2010):

Maric?

Needs to really step up over the next two years, otherwise his spot will be taken by someone else (e.g. Jetta, Wonnaeamirri).

gee - he's only 19! What's this penchant at Demonland for targetting kids. You have to give them time. He's got a lot of talent this kid and even did well when given a brief turn on the ball (where I see his future). Well poised and a beautiful kick he is also a good mark for his size. Definitely room for all 3 in the 22. Injuries can make chumps of champs (not that I'm calling Maric a champ) and it's amazing how players can seem to dramitically improve when injury free and have a good pre-season.

Consider my eyebrows raised

[Crystal Dees 372]

Thankyou for humouring me with this tangent. My underlying point (which also brings it into how it is relevant right now) is that a number of fans want the 'deadwood' of 'list cloggers' removed all at once, but as we can see from this rudimentary exercise - deadwood is best moved off the list over years, lest you lose someone you don't want to lose, our recruit more 'deadwood.'

Your welcome and your reasons are clearer to me know and I agree. We need our share of futurists here rather than the abundance of reactionaries so happy to contribute.

[titan_uranus 22,474]

gee - he's only 19! What's this penchant at Demonland for targetting kids. You have to give them time. He's got a lot of talent this kid and even did well when given a brief turn on the ball (where I see his future). Well poised and a beautiful kick he is also a good mark for his size. Definitely room for all 3 in the 22. Injuries can make chumps of champs (not that I'm calling Maric a champ) and it's amazing how players can seem to dramitically improve when injury free and have a good pre-season.

Consider my eyebrows raised

By the end of 2011 he will have had 4 seasons at the club and will be 21. I was suggesting that, by then, if he hasn't improved he might be a candidate for delisting. Of course he could improve within 2 years to the point that he cracks back into the side. But from what I've seen of him I'm not sure yet that he will end up good enough to stay on the list.

FWIW, when you were discussing possible 2011 delistings, you put forward Bail. I was simply saying that, come the end of 2011, Maric will need to have improved from where he is at now, else there's a good chance he won't last. Exactly what you've said about Bail.

Trying to work out who will be cut from the list 24 months from now is not exactly a science. I'd love for Maric to stick it up me.

[Keyser Söze 0]

I have a feeling he will.

Or perhaps it's just hope.

I think I'm in the same boat.

I see something in him and I'm just yearning for him to take that next step, but somewhere in the pit of my stomach I feel like he may never do that.

Edit: But, considering some of the 2nd-rate players we still have on the list, he should get ample opportunity to develop.

I expect us, like many teams, to make the minimum number of changes for the next 2 drafts after this one and so far he's better than at least 6 players on the list.

Edited November 14, 2009 by Keyser Söze

[The Emblem 1]

By the end of 2011 he will have had 4 seasons at the club and will be 21. I was suggesting that, by then, if he hasn't improved he might be a candidate for delisting. Of course he could improve within 2 years to the point that he cracks back into the side. But from what I've seen of him I'm not sure yet that he will end up good enough to stay on the list.

FWIW, when you were discussing possible 2011 delistings, you put forward Bail. I was simply saying that, come the end of 2011, Maric will need to have improved from where he is at now, else there's a good chance he won't last. Exactly what you've said about Bail.

Trying to work out who will be cut from the list 24 months from now is not exactly a science. I'd love for Maric to stick it up me.

Oooh Titan, love you dearly however, not only do I think he'll stick it up you but do so while you are laying on an ants next covered in treacle!

[titan_uranus 22,474]

Oooh Titan, love you dearly however, not only do I think he'll stick it up you but do so while you are laying on an ants next covered in treacle!

Yes, well I hope he does...

Play well, I mean.

Like I said, though, I'm not sure he has it in him.

[The Emblem 1]

Yes, well I hope he does...

Play well, I mean.

Like I said, though, I'm not sure he has it in him.

In what little I've seen he has shown, pace and genuine football nous - including excellent body work for such a young small player. However its early day's and anything could go wrong. No sense in getting too long on the treacle futures market just yet.