I'm sure he'll take over the captaincy from Judd ahead of Murphy, Gibbs etc.

He donated twice.

Oh by the way they have deleted Brock's end of year assessment on the MFC website... No biggy just a tad interesting...

hmm vodka cruiser is out of contract atm, at Visy fair trade?

the players as a group have no idea what the game plan is

excuse me

These blokes have been under Bailey's command for nearly two years, I believe that is something like 400 training sessions and 44 matches, over 1000 hours of a group of professionals training them. It is simply not possible Bailey's plan could be so mysterious as they have no idea what it is. More importantly, everyone has witnessed the side improve, they have made a plan work and matched it or even bettered some of the best sides in the comp - the only problem is that they cant do it consistently, which is a completely realistic thing to expect of a bunch of kids. Nevertheless, it is obvious that they are building a plan and a list and a team, and despite winning just 4 we clearly improved this year. We are about to welcome two champion kids to the club also. Doesn't make sense.

I'm not calling you a liar and obviously your first call was spot on but this part just does not work for me

I hate this and am seriously worried with how the club is looking for the next 3 or 4 years! I know this is just my shock wearing in, but if Davey leaves that will be the worst thing that could happen to the supporter base..... We won't have members, no supporters, no money & no club.. I know this is fear mongering but I hope something is going on to sort out all the crap behind the scenes!!

We can have all the draft picks in the world, but a team of 18 year olds cant win a flag

The blues had the inside mail. Likely a grenade of opportunity.

So he leaves to Carlton, a club he'll never captain unless Judd decides to quit football to pursue his love of environmental causes

Well, it could happen. Where's your spirit of adventure? Coming up with dodgy theories that can't be supported is the whole point of internet forums.

Hi guys.

Changing my name to Kiss of death from Chooka for Charlie - the explanation is as easy as this.

Every time i select a player name for my forum name, they either run into poor form, get injured, or get traded.

We should be safe from here on in.

Regards.

Hi guys.

Changing my name to Kiss of death from Chooka for Charlie - the explanation is as easy as this.

Every time i select a player name for my forum name, they either run into poor form, get injured, or get traded.

We should be safe from here on in.

Regards.

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1. Scully = certain star

2. Trengove = certain star (would be ok if we took Martin or Rohan)

11. Talia = AA CHB, can play forward

18. who cares, maybe use as part of a trade

Now your cookin', where on the same page there.

My hopes are when we get pick 11, that we use that pick for a youngster, tall, Talia/Butcher would be worth pick 11 IMO/Temel/Vardy/Panos/Carlisle...if not a tall, Rohan.

I'm sure he'll take over the captaincy from Judd ahead of Murphy, Gibbs etc.

He donated twice.

You would have to think then that at the dinner he was committed to the club. Not arguing about tanking with DB as is being suggested. Not sure of the timing, was the dinner before the Richmond game?

You would also think that since the dinner and the end of the season list management meetings have happened and end of year discussions with players.

Given the oversupply of inside mids and the need to get games into Scully and Tengrove (if we pick them) then his opportunities beyond next year may be limited. And he may have been told as such.

His comments about leaving refered to it being best for his career and with Stevens leaving Carlton there were opportunities for him there.

This is pure speculation of course but to me make more sense than the sky falling in.

If we lose Davey as well then I might take a more pesimistic view.

I'm assuming that by lack of transparency he means

I think he means that we don't yet know what we'll get from pick 11, whether that be on-trading or draft.

I hate this and am seriously worried with how the club is looking for the next 3 or 4 years!

Isn't it strange. I'm the complete opposite.

The Hawks made some similar ballsy decisions a few years back, and within a few years were celebrating a premiership. We all claim that we are willing to put up with a little short term pain for long term gain, but the moment we trade a slow player who hasn't performed in 3 years it's all doom and gloom. I back the club; make some hard calls and have a genuine crack at building a side from the ground up and let's have a decent go at ending this 45 year drought.

Hi guys first time writer, long time reader i hate to see brock go but he hasn't improve on his game enough to warrant him staying, this year he has become slower IMO, I think now was the right time to trade him as IMO he wasn't going to get any better, I'm quite happy with pick 11 we could use it to free up trade deals or draft another player, still sad to see him go though.

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Working on it... had visitors.

Anyhow.. probably been discussed to death already since there's 9 pages.. are we happy with pick 11 for Brock? I keep bouncing it against pick 14 for an older Trav - and thinking it's not too bad considering his injuries and how it's affected his footy for the last couple of years. I think he'll play some good football going forwards if he gets his body right, but he's going to be warming more than a few benches going forwards if he's off to Carlton - can't see him pushing Judd, Gibbs and Murphy out.

The Hawks made some similar ballsy decisions a few years back, and within a few years were celebrating a premiership. We all claim that we are willing to put up with a little short term pain for long term gain, but the moment we trade a slow player who hasn't performed in 3 years it's all doom and gloom. I back the club; make some hard calls and have a genuine crack at building a side from the ground up and let's have a decent go at ending this 45 year drought.

How long is this short term pain? We have already had 3 shocking years and are relying on 18 year olds to get us out of this mess.

Working on it... had visitors.

Anyhow.. probably been discussed to death already since there's 9 pages.. are we happy with pick 11 for Brock? I keep bouncing it against pick 16 for an older Trav - and thinking it's not too bad considering his injuries and how it's affected his footy for the last couple of years. I think he'll play some good football going forwards if he gets his body right, but he's going to be warming more than a few benches going forwards if he's off to Carlton - can't see him pushing Judd, Gibbs and Murphy out.

I'm not 100% sure how pick 11 should be valued this year. Nor Brock for that matter. He's had a terrible year, but if he avoids more injuries could still be a very good player. Pace isn't the focus of the Carlton Midfield, and he can fit in for hardness. He could be a very good player for them. I don't think we'll be able to judge who got the better of this deal for a long time to come.

Very glad with this trade.

Working on it... had visitors.

Anyhow.. probably been discussed to death already since there's 9 pages.. are we happy with pick 11 for Brock? I keep bouncing it against pick 16 for an older Trav - and thinking it's not too bad considering his injuries and how it's affected his footy for the last couple of years. I think he'll play some good football going forwards if he gets his body right, but he's going to be warming more than a few benches going forwards if he's off to Carlton - can't see him pushing Judd, Gibbs and Murphy out.

He'll excel at Carlton (providing fitness) without a hard tag, feeding the ball out to Gibbs and Murphy. If he can get his fitness back, he'll finish very high in their B&F next season.

The worst thing about this is that McLean could potentially help Carlton win a flag, and I can never ever support or even mildly like any player who wears that filthy navy jumper. So McLean just went from my favourite player, to one of my most hated.

So McLean just went from my favourite player, to one of my most hated.

That must be a very strange scenario for you to fathom. I could never have imagined Wheels defecting off to CarlJudd

So he leaves to Carlton, a club he'll never captain unless Judd decides to quit football to pursue his love of environmental causes

Yeah, juddy's just in love with the greenery. Maybe he'll leave for a foreign shore where there's Greenbacks, are turtles. Can he punt.

People need to relax and realise that Brock's move to Carlton will solve the oft asked question, 'Can you do donuts in a Prius?' All else is mere rumour but if some players want to move for the reasons speculated then it would be fair to say that I will be there to hold the door open.

Brock for Pick 11 is a fair deal for mine. To be at his best Brock has to be super fit to play well as his game is about getting to as many contests as possible which requires elite endurance. There is a real question mark over whether he can remain injury free long enough - refer weeks missed due to injury below - to be able to get to that level of elite endurance. Its no use being a clearance specialist if you can't get to enough contests. Brock was ordinary this year, looked very slow and his disposal was average.

It could indeed be a positive for Melbourne that he has looked around at the young developing talent around him and speculated on the arrival of Scully and Trengove and seen his place in the 22 in question and decided to move on. Carlton do need a fully fit Brock type and they are gambling on Brock being able to avoid injury and attain a level of fitness that has eluded him in recent years. In doing so they have foregone a pick that might have landed them a much needed potential replacement key forward for the soon to be 29 years old Fevola. Thats another gamble for the Blues.

So Ratten and Riley know and appreciate Brock from their time at Melbourne. Well they knew and appreciated CJ from their time at Melbourne and its fair to say more than a few Blues fans are wishing they did not. We now have picks 1, 2, 11 and 18 in the least uncompromised draft for 3 or 4 years. Strong hand when added to our stocks of elite young talent.

MIA Maclean

2009 - missed 3 games

2008 - missed 8 games - ankle injury: 8

2007 - missed 8 games - foot injury: 7, adductor injury: 1

2006 - missed 6 games - thigh injury: 1, groin injury: 1, hammie: 2, quad injury: 2

2005 - missed 3 games - groin injury: 3

2004 -missed 1 game - buttock injury: 1

Burgoyne nominates Hawks as preferred club...

Just in on the AFL website.

suits me fine

How long is this short term pain? We have already had 3 shocking years and are relying on 18 year olds to get us out of this mess.

Fair comment, but I would rather an 18 year old who is going somewhere and has a point to prove than someone who is only getting slower. We backed the kids this year, back them again for another year.

Anyone know who Carlton have coming up for Father-Son picks? They may be banking on a forward via that route.