Pick 18 is not first round.

And it certainly isn't near the equivalent of a 1st Rd pick this year.

I would give that and a player (depending on the player) very quickly.

The only problem is Hawthorn have Pick 9 and no reason, other than their desire for a backman, to not give that pick to PA.

I'm a cynic, and I think Burgoyne's management are using us as leverage against PA to get a deal over the line with Hawthorn.

give the man a prize..!!

oh... one for Redleg too

The more I think about it...the more something isnt quite right... just cant put my foot on it yet !!

There's more shiftiness here me thinks than a bedouin market !!

Burgoyne is worth a top 5 pick make no mistake about it. If I was Port I wouldn't be wanting anything less. If their best player goes for an average pick and a dodgy player or 2 it gives the message that a Boak or Salopek can go to any club they want. Port done the right thing with Stevens and Sydney done the right thing with O'Keefe now it's time to make an offer that he can't refuse. We can't give our top 2 picks away and pick 18 won't be anywhere near good enough.

In the age Burgoyne has nominated 3 clubs they are Hawthorn, Essendon and the mighty Dees. If we can get Burgoyne to go with our gun draft picks we will make the 8 easily. The confidence at the club will go sky high.

Demon Desciple... you are a fool.

pick 18 is a lottery at the best of times.

You can think that, but if we are to draft Scully and Trengove with our first 2 picks, then we definately need to get a KPF with our next pick (currently 18). I don't think it's foolish to pick a player that has only turned 18 and fills a need in our list.

IMO it's blatantly foolish to even expect Burgoyne to be anywhere near his best footy from a couple of years ago (and has been average ever since) as well as the fact that his knee seems to be very flimsy with apparently not much cartilage left. Lets draft Burgoyne because he was a great player a couple of years ago. That's more foolish IMO. No point getting excited about a 'has been player', when we can use pick 18 on a decent KPF (Panos, Griffiths, Carlisle) who will still be coming into their best football when we start to mean business (as opposed to Burgoyne who's career will almost be over).

Sure it will be a higher risk this year at 18 to pick up a KPF, given the so-called depth of the draft, but it's an even greater risk to pick up a player who would add to a surplus of midfielders in our team and for that player to have questionable fitness. Hence why i would take him in the PSD or for a lower pick. And i think you are getting too caught up in the media hype of a shallow draft, as this doesn't become known until a couple of years down the track.

Taking a risk going for an 18 year old, or taking a risk going for a former great player with questionable knees??? I know which one i'd go for

In the age Burgoyne has nominated 3 clubs they are Hawthorn, Essendon and the mighty Dees. If we can get Burgoyne to go with our gun draft picks we will make the 8 easily. The confidence at the club will go sky high.

You clearly believe everything you read without suspicion.

And you are clearly sure that his knee is OK to commit to his significant salary call (assuming Port baulk) in the PSD?

think Id still be lookign more at Boak than Burgoyne... Probably more likely to get too.

Burgoyne is worth a top 5 pick make no mistake about it. If I was Port I wouldn't be wanting anything less. If their best player goes for an average pick and a dodgy player or 2 it gives the message that a Boak or Salopek can go to any club they want. Port done the right thing with Stevens and Sydney done the right thing with O'Keefe now it's time to make an offer that he can't refuse. We can't give our top 2 picks away and pick 18 won't be anywhere near good enough.

In the age Burgoyne has nominated 3 clubs they are Hawthorn, Essendon and the mighty Dees. If we can get Burgoyne to go with our gun draft picks we will make the 8 easily. The confidence at the club will go sky high.

He is not even close to a top 5 pick. Hasn't played consistant footy since 2006 and he is a front runner, you wont find him banging in when were 30 points down. Don't get carried away with the hype of a player like him. If he falls through to the PSD then maybe consisider if there are no other options. Just sore him on tv and he is on crutchers, it has to be a worry espicially when he is asking 500000 to 600000 over 3 to 4 years

Comrades, there is nothing new under the sun.

Shaun Burgoyne and his knees = Kelvin Templeton Redivus.

Just don't do it.

Hawks, Essendon, Melbourne.

The 3 Victorian clubs that have a lot of indigenous players.

I reakon we would be the third choice out of the three.

Realisticly we would have to give up 18 + a player. Im not sure if im prepared to do that this year.

Would be awesome to get him in the PSD.

Actualy he has said in Adelaide that his 1st choice is Hawks,then Meld & then Ess.Hes talking to Hawks today & will be in Melb for a few days.Said that Hawks approached him & june & started chasing him then & started talking.He said he dosnt care if he gets a tread cos he would love to end up with Melb

You clearly believe everything you read without suspicion.

And you are clearly sure that his knee is OK to commit to his significant salary call (assuming Port baulk) in the PSD?

Everything about trading is suspicious. We are a chance to get him and until their is none I will continue to have hope. I'm sick and tired of this club not being able to land a quality established player cause they think we are a basket case I want players like Burgoyne to think that this club has a future.

Anyone who thinks that Port's best player isn't worth a top 5 pick in a weak draft are kidding themselves. The only way he won't be worth a top 5 pick is if his knee is completely stuffed and I'm sure the Hawks, Bombers and Dees will find out for sure if his knee is up to it or not.

Everything about trading is suspicious. We are a chance to get him and until their is none I will continue to have hope. I'm sick and tired of this club not being able to land a quality established player cause they think we are a basket case I want players like Burgoyne to think that this club has a future.

Fair point above. This time 2 years ago there was ALOT of talk about one Chris JUDD possibly becoming a demon...not Blue. At the time I was in for more surgery with a rather well known surgeon who looks after many AFL footballers, he had just seen Judd and his groin tests and believed he had the worst case of OP he'd ever seen. Said without surgery he was stuffed here forward. Well no surgery and perhaps the surgeon was right early days as Judd struggled to recapture form, but 2 years on, another All Australian and some great form and leadership I'd happily take a "risk" of his dodgy groins going forward.

Too hard to know about S Burgoyne's knees unless we're inside the Club - if they're keen let them chase him. And to mention Templeton's knee's - I'd have thought surgery has come a little way in that time - I know it has more my knees.

Go get him Dees, the boy CAN play. S Burgoyne for Number 9!

I'm with Brockstars on this. Burgoyne has been somewhat inconsistent, but he's far more talented and effective than he's being given credit for on here. He's inside and outside and has been very effective in run-with/shut down roles. He'd be in our best 3 players the day he walked in the door and I also agree that a fit Burgoyne would just about have us playing Finals next year. Momentum is a wonderful thing around a club.

We should have beaten Richmond and Sydney, and tanked greatly against Carlton and North, not to mention the injuries we had late in the year. Outside the top 6 the competition is crud. The Bombers made the Finals on 10 wins.

Why supporters bother to worry about a player's knees when we've medicos to do that is beyond me. If we want him it's because we're very confident in his body to play 80+ games of footy.

I don't think we'll get him, but would love to pick him up. I do think that we're very useful to his camp strategically, but I also think he's showing us respect due to his cousin - Aaron Davey, past premiership teammate Josh Mahoney and perhaps a good association with Bailey.

Why supporters don't embrace quality walking through the door is beyond me. But I'm not surprised.

Hi all,

first time here so please excuse me for any typos, just thinking we have Bell, Jamar, Rivers and McNamara from SA...we need space on our list and none of these guys are in t same league as Burgoyne, pick 18+ one of them?

Hi all,

first time here so please excuse me for any typos, just thinking we have Bell, Jamar, Rivers and McNamara from SA...we need space on our list and none of these guys are in t same league as Burgoyne, pick 18+ one of them?

sounds good in theory but Port have to want to take one of these players and none of them are setting the world on fire....

You can think that, but if we are to draft Scully and Trengove with our first 2 picks, then we definately need to get a KPF with our next pick (currently 18). I don't think it's foolish to pick a player that has only turned 18 and fills a need in our list.

IMO it's blatantly foolish to even expect Burgoyne to be anywhere near his best footy from a couple of years ago (and has been average ever since) as well as the fact that his knee seems to be very flimsy with apparently not much cartilage left. Lets draft Burgoyne because he was a great player a couple of years ago. That's more foolish IMO. No point getting excited about a 'has been player', when we can use pick 18 on a decent KPF (Panos, Griffiths, Carlisle) who will still be coming into their best football when we start to mean business (as opposed to Burgoyne who's career will almost be over).

Sure it will be a higher risk this year at 18 to pick up a KPF, given the so-called depth of the draft, but it's an even greater risk to pick up a player who would add to a surplus of midfielders in our team and for that player to have questionable fitness. Hence why i would take him in the PSD or for a lower pick. And i think you are getting too caught up in the media hype of a shallow draft, as this doesn't become known until a couple of years down the track.

Taking a risk going for an 18 year old, or taking a risk going for a former great player with questionable knees??? I know which one i'd go for

im with you, offer up some players, yeah port might laugh, PSD is a long shot , picks 1,2 @ 18 must go on youth.

Hi all,

first time here so please excuse me for any typos, just thinking we have Bell, Jamar, Rivers and McNamara from SA...we need space on our list and none of these guys are in t same league as Burgoyne, pick 18+ one of them?

Not enough. The good thing is that I don't think Hawthorn or Essendon have the picks that Port would be after either. Time will tell. If I was Port I'd be trying my hardest to keep him that means no trade.

we have to give up one of our decent midfielders. i'd trade jones and 18 for Burgoyne. In whats supposed to be a shallow draft i reckon that would have to be the least

we'd give up...

everyone keeps linking these S.A boys but whos really chasing players like Bell ?? No one so ya cant just put there name up because there from there. Least Jones You'd look at.

I'm with Brockstars on this. Burgoyne has been somewhat inconsistent, but he's far more talented and effective than he's being given credit for on here. He's inside and outside and has been very effective in run-with/shut down roles. He'd be in our best 3 players the day he walked in the door and I also agree that a fit Burgoyne would just about have us playing Finals next year. Momentum is a wonderful thing around a club.

We should have beaten Richmond and Sydney, and tanked greatly against Carlton and North, not to mention the injuries we had late in the year. Outside the top 6 the competition is crud. The Bombers made the Finals on 10 wins.

Why supporters bother to worry about a player's knees when we've medicos to do that is beyond me. If we want him it's because we're very confident in his body to play 80+ games of footy.

I don't think we'll get him, but would love to pick him up. I do think that we're very useful to his camp strategically, but I also think he's showing us respect due to his cousin - Aaron Davey, past premiership teammate Josh Mahoney and perhaps a good association with Bailey.

Why supporters don't embrace quality walking through the door is beyond me. But I'm not surprised.

What a great post.

I think the hawks are in the box seat if they are willing to give up Pick 9 and 25. He will be a hawk if they do.

I would like to pick him up in the PSD. I wouldnt be giving up any of pick 1,2 and 18 for him. Players yes. Any of Jamar, Miller, Newton, Valenti, Bell, McNamara, similiar etc.

Jamar and Rivers for Pick 7 and Burgoyne?

I think the hawks are in the box seat if they are willing to give up Pick 9 and 25. He will be a hawk if they do.

I would like to pick him up in the PSD. I wouldnt be giving up any of pick 1,2 and 18 for him. Players yes. Any of Jamar, Miller, Newton, Valenti, Bell, McNamara, similiar etc.

Jamar and Rivers for Pick 7 and Burgoyne?

That will not get it done.

Pick 18 and Jamar isn't great for them but if Hawthorn cannot do a deal that is what I would offer. 1 and 2 are off limits, it would have to be out of Jones, Jamar, and Rivers to be traded.

Throwing around Pick 18 is fine by me.

Heya guys and gals,

I've just awoken from a 2 day flu and have heard on the radio (at some stage) that there is something genuine happening here.

6 pages? Too much. Can someone please surmise for me? What's going on and what is the GENERAL consensus of what's fair if we are the match? Hawks/Ess?

I'm with Brockstars on this. Burgoyne has been somewhat inconsistent, but he's far more talented and effective than he's being given credit for on here. He's inside and outside and has been very effective in run-with/shut down roles. He'd be in our best 3 players the day he walked in the door and I also agree that a fit Burgoyne would just about have us playing Finals next year. Momentum is a wonderful thing around a club.

We should have beaten Richmond and Sydney, and tanked greatly against Carlton and North, not to mention the injuries we had late in the year. Outside the top 6 the competition is crud. The Bombers made the Finals on 10 wins.

Why supporters bother to worry about a player's knees when we've medicos to do that is beyond me. If we want him it's because we're very confident in his body to play 80+ games of footy.

I don't think we'll get him, but would love to pick him up. I do think that we're very useful to his camp strategically, but I also think he's showing us respect due to his cousin - Aaron Davey, past premiership teammate Josh Mahoney and perhaps a good association with Bailey.

Why supporters don't embrace quality walking through the door is beyond me. But I'm not surprised.

Hannibal, you make demonland readable, given the loads of tripe and bickering on here at the moment. thankyou.

my key reservation is at what price does he come, both financially and from a trade point of view. 600K was mooted in the paper i think. this is too much. sets a precedent. very few players in the league would get 4yr 600K contracts. unheard of. and also what we have to give up. port will want one of our top picks or a one of our best 3 players. grimes, morton, frawley or perhaps davey/sylvia. no thanks if that is the case

Heya guys and gals,

I've just awoken from a 2 day flu and have heard on the radio (at some stage) that there is something genuine happening here.

6 pages? Too much. Can someone please surmise for me? What's going on and what is the GENERAL consensus of what's fair if we are the match? Hawks/Ess?

Ok...

Shaun Burgoyne has told Port he wants to be traded to a Melbourne club and will not re-sign.

Port has said they will only do a deal if it works for them.

Burgoyne has gone on to nominate Hawthorn, Melbourne and Essendon as his preferred destinations and will go in the PSD if need be.

Hawthorn have said they are open to trading any of their draft picks, without being specific.

Andrew Lovett has told Essendon he is keen to be moved on.

That is all that is being presented as fact. Beyond that there is mountains of speculation on what will/won't, can/can't happen and conspiracy theories on:

- Burgoyne's knee being beyond repair with Port trying to peddle him before anyone realises and

- MFC's position with PSD pick 1 being used as leverage by Port & Burgoyne's camp to get a good deal at a preferred destination

I'm with Brockstars on this. Burgoyne has been somewhat inconsistent, but he's far more talented and effective than he's being given credit for on here. He's inside and outside and has been very effective in run-with/shut down roles. He'd be in our best 3 players the day he walked in the door and I also agree that a fit Burgoyne would just about have us playing Finals next year. Momentum is a wonderful thing around a club.

We should have beaten Richmond and Sydney, and tanked greatly against Carlton and North, not to mention the injuries we had late in the year. Outside the top 6 the competition is crud. The Bombers made the Finals on 10 wins.

Why supporters bother to worry about a player's knees when we've medicos to do that is beyond me. If we want him it's because we're very confident in his body to play 80+ games of footy.

I don't think we'll get him, but would love to pick him up. I do think that we're very useful to his camp strategically, but I also think he's showing us respect due to his cousin - Aaron Davey, past premiership teammate Josh Mahoney and perhaps a good association with Bailey.

Why supporters don't embrace quality walking through the door is beyond me. But I'm not surprised.

My concern is that his best years are behind him and what we will have to give up to get him.

His value is so high on the open market that I feel he'd cost too much for his return to be worth it for our club specifically.

He'll produce straight away, but will he still be producing in 2 or 3 years' time when we should be seriously challenging? Will the players we'd be required to trade for him?

Bearing in mind, we won't get him in exchange for Newton, Bell and pick 34. Its just not going to happen.

I'd take him in the PSD in a heartbeat though.

Well Hawthorn have Mark Williams who IMO is underated as a goal kicking forward who isnt getting a regular spot at the hawks

Essendon i am not so sure have much to offer except Lovett

We really dont need to do anything to get him if thats if he chose to become a demon

depends on what our FD had in mind before burgoyne was available

if hawks want a genuine backman i dont see how they will have the resources left to get burgoyne unless they get rid of a starting 22 player.