2009 Draft reduction

[old55 23,577]

The 2009 Draft pool is going to be cut because the age eligibility is going to be raised compared with 2008.

Can someone please tell me what the 2008 DOB was compared with the 2009?

Is the 2009 DOB cut-off going to be the standard going forward?

Or are we going to revert to the 2008 dates in 2010 and 2009 will have a special big pool?

thx

[Stigga 25]

Here is a link to the Gold Coast's website:

http://gc17.com.au/index.php?id=52&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=63&tx_ttnews[backPid]=47&cHash=23d1921152

The Entry Rules for GC17 will be as follows:

1. 2009 NAB AFL Draft:

GC17 to have the capacity to sign 12 x 17 year-olds born in the January – April window (Jan-April 1992).

2. 2010 NAB AFL Draft:

GC17 to have Pick One in Each Round.

GC 17 to have Picks 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15 in Round One.

3. 2009 NAB Rookie Draft:

GC17 to have Selections 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.

4. 2010 NAB Rookie Draft

GC17 to alternate Queensland priority selections with Brisbane Lions. GC17 to have first selection.

5. Zoned Access

GC17 to have zoned access to up to five Queensland players prior to each of 2010, 2011 and 2012 NAB AFL Drafts.

GC17 to have zoned access to up to three Northern Territory player prior to the 2010 NAB AFL Draft

6. 2010 Post Season, AFL Listed Played Access

GC17 to have capacity to pre-list 10 players who had previously nominated for the AFL Draft, or were previously listed with an AFL club.

GC17 to have capacity to sign up to 16 uncontracted players.

Mr Demetriou said GC17 would also have an expanded list size and TPP allowance in the club’s initial four years from 2011 to 2014, which would be as follows:

2011 – 48 senior list, nine rookies with $1m TPP extra allowance;

2012 – 46 senior list, nine rookies with $800k TPP extra allowance;

2013 – 42 senior list, nine rookies with $600k TPP extra allowance;

2014 – 40 senior list, nine rookies with $400k TPP extra allowance;

2015 – 38 senior list, nine rookies in line with other AFL clubs.

While the Working Group considered an expanded list and allowance for the first three years, the AFL Commission accepted a recommendation from the executive that given the challenge of building a club, the list and allowance should phase out over four years.

Further, as part of the entry rules for the GC17 side, Mr Demetriou said the AFL Commission had resolved that any club that lost a player to the expansion side would be eligible for a compensation pick (after the entry of both GC17 and the second club to be based in Sydney ).

Compensation picks will be tradeable and can be used by clubs at any time within five years . First round compensation picks can not be used until the end of the first round in the 2010 and 2011 drafts. Clubs will be required to nominate the year in which they plan to use the compensation pick before the first round of the Toyota AFL Premiership Season in that particular year.

The compensatory pick would be assessed around the player’s age (greater weighting for younger players), club contract ranking (greater weighting for club key players), on field performance (greater weighting for strong club best and fairest performance) and draft position if less than four years experience.

This ranking system will then determine if a club is eligible for a compensatory pick in one of five spots -- first round pick, end of first round pick, second round pick, end of second round pick or third round pick. Under the model, the round one, round two or round three picks would be taken immediately after the pick the club already has in that round in the draft that year.

Please find attached below an example of how the 2010 NAB AFL Draft would look, under these concession rules.

The List Management Group was: Andrew Dillon (Chairman, AFL General Manager Legal and Business Affairs), Graeme Allan (Brisbane Lions FC Football Operations Manager), Adrian Anderson (AFL General Manager Football Operations), Derek Hine (Collingwood FC Recruiting Manager), Andrew Ireland (Sydney Swans FC Football Operations Manager), David Matthews (AFL General Manager National and International Development), Tony Peek (AFL Assistant to CEO), Ian Robson (Hawthorn FC CEO), Cameron Schwab (former Fremantle FC CEO), Kevin Sheehan (AFL National Talent Manager), Steven Trigg (Adelaide FC CEO), Stephen Wells (Geelong FC Recruiting Manager).

2010 NAB AFL Draft: (Example Draft Order before trading)

Round One

1 GC17

2 GC17

3 GC17

4 Club 16 on 2010 ladder

5 GC17

6 Club 15 on 2010 ladder

7 GC17

8 Club 14 on 2010 ladder

9 GC17

10 Club 13 on 2010 ladder

11 GC17

12 Club 12 on 2010 ladder

13 GC17

14 Club 11 on 2010 ladder

15 GC17

16 Club 10 on 2010 ladder

17 Club 9 on 2010 ladder

18 Club 8 on 2010 ladder

19 Club 7 on 2010 ladder

20 Club 6 on 2010 ladder

21 Club 5 on 2010 ladder

22 Club 4 on 2010 ladder

23 Club 3 on 2010 ladder

24 Club 2 on 2010 ladder

25 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

Round Two

26 GC17

27 Club 16 on 2010 ladder

28 Club 15 on 2010 ladder

29 Club 14 on 2010 ladder

30 Club 13 on 2010 ladder

31 Club 12 on 2010 ladder

32 Club 11 on 2010 ladder

33 Club 10 on 2010 ladder

34 Club 9 on 2010 ladder

35 Club 8 on 2010 ladder

36 Club 7 on 2010 ladder

37 Club 6 on 2010 ladder

38 Club 5 on 2010 ladder

39 Club 4 on 2010 ladder

40 Club 3 on 2010 ladder

41 Club 2 on 2010 ladder

42 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

Round Three

43 GC 17

44 Club 16 on 2010 ladder

45 Club 15 on 2010 ladder

46 Club 14 on 2010 ladder

47 Club 13 on 2010 ladder

48 Club 12 on 2010 ladder

49 Club 11 on 2010 ladder

50 Club 10 on 2010 ladder

51 Club 9 on 2010 ladder

52 Club 8 on 2010 ladder

53 Club 7 on 2010 ladder

54 Club 6 on 2010 ladder

55 Club 5 on 2010 ladder

56 Club 4 on 2010 ladder

57 Club 3 on 2010 ladder

58 Club 2 on 2010 ladder

59 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

[old55 23,577]

That's great and interesting Stigga!

But it's not what I'm after.

[John Dee 445]

Basically the AFL can get away with saying that 2009 is an uncomprmised draft. This is technically true. However, what they have done is raise the lower age limit of this and all future drafts to proclude the clubs drafting 17 year olds. Gold Coast will be able to sign up to 20 of the 17 year olds who would otherwise be eligable for the 2010 draft.

The upshot of all of this is that, except for the Gold Coast, 2010 will be an absolute bust draft year with all of the 17 year olds from 2009 and the 2010 concessions.

[Rogue 585]

Step 1 - Click search (top right corner)

Step 2 - Enter keywords 'draft age'

Step 3 - voila!

[BAMF 4,353]

Does anyone else think that GC17 are getting way too much?

They are going to be unstoppable in years when the 2010 group mature.

[ickey_11 145]

Does anyone else think that GC17 are getting way too much?

They are going to be unstoppable in years when the 2010 group mature.

really depends on what type of players are available. At the moment it seems that KPP come in rushes. Also they will struggle without the experienced players and the ones they want will not leave their existing club. Don't forget that there are not too many Queenslanders wanting to return home.

[old55 23,577]

Step 1 - Click search (top right corner)

Step 2 - Enter keywords 'draft age'

Step 3 - voila!

Next year, the minimum draft age will be increased by four months so the pool of new players available in the 2009 draft will be less than usual. The following year, the Goald Coasters will have the Lion's share (no pun intended) of early draft picks.

that doesn't answer the question either - I've heard variously that it's 3 months and 4 months. I want the DOB eligibility for 2008, 2009 and 2010.

[JACKATTACK 17]

that doesn't answer the question either - I've heard variously that it's 3 months and 4 months. I want the DOB eligibility for 2008, 2009 and 2010.

It would be interesting to see which players from last year's draft would have been pushed to next year with the new eligibility date. Jack Watts would be 1 I would think.

I do remember talking about this once before on demonland, you might try searching the threads here, may or may not be worth the trouble.

[jacey 333]

that doesn't answer the question either - I've heard variously that it's 3 months and 4 months. I want the DOB eligibility for 2008, 2009 and 2010.

* The eligibility age for the National Draft will increase by four months, so that the player must turn 18 or on before December 31 in the year of that draft. This will not apply until the 2009 NAB AFL Draft.

[Toad33 57]

Does anyone else think that GC17 are getting way too much?

They are going to be unstoppable in years when the 2010 group mature.

Not necessarily.

They are getting all their draft selections to ensure that they are 'competitive' as soon as they join the league.

But that doesn't mean they will be using them all on young players.

It is touted that a lot of them will be traded away for experienced players that are ready to play. Therefore the group of young players coming through from 2010 are more likely to be spread over the entire league.

Depending on your point of view this could work out well for MFC.

On one hand we could trade reliable aging players for early picks which could be a little extra boost to us going forward, especially if we are sitting around the middle of the ladder at the time.

On the other hand if the club were keen to get some low picks we may have to give up some 'emerging' players to do so if we are sitting around the middle of the ladder at the time.

The one thing you can be certain of is that trade week in a couple of years will be busy.

Go Dees - Building for the Future.

[Little Goffy 14,547]

Yep, Gold Coast will be in the market for experienced players to come right in, and the relatively value of players tp picks will favour the team trading out the player.

The obvious example would be Brad Miller - an experienced player in a key position role, leadership group experience, Queensland local orginally.

I don't think we could complain too much about getting pick 11 for him.

Meanwhile, keep your fingers crossed that the Gold Coast drafting goes a little something like the following precedents -

I'm not saying that ALL of these players are useless (you'd be hard pressed to find a complete dud at pick 1), but to see a team like this line up together for Gold coast would warm the hearts of many a supporter of the clubs who get their 'hard-earned' early picks bumped (read Sydney, North, circa 2010)

1 - Bredan Goddard

2 - Andrew Walker

4 - Luke Livingston

4 - Farren Ray

4 - Tim Walsh

5 - Andrew McDougall

6 - Kepler Bradley

6 - Beau Dowler

6 - Ashley Sampi

7 -Kane Teance

8 - Jarred Oakley-Nicholls

8 - John Meeson

8 - Luke Brennan

9- David Trotter

10 - Ryley Dunn

10 - Christhoper Egan

11- Adam Thompson

12 - Danny Meyer

14- Fergus Watts

15 - Barry Brooks

17 - Cameron Faulkner

18 - Kris Shore

[Rogue 585]

that doesn't answer the question either - I've heard variously that it's 3 months and 4 months. I want the DOB eligibility for 2008, 2009 and 2010.

It does answer the question - "four months".

There's also no indication that it's a temporary change.

The fact that you've heard otherwise doesn't mean it's not an answer to your question.

Sure, it may be incorrect, but that's like any answer you receive on a forum.

If you're really keen then contact the AFL.

Edit: I googled with an obvious search term and found a link to an AFL.com.au page explaining the changes. Google is your friend.