Toigs trying a shifty

[Redleg 40,834]

This is to elaborate on my solution -

The current PRE SEASON DRAFT order

1. Melbourne

2. Port Adelaide

3. Essendon

4. Carlton

5. Brisbane

6. Richmond

The current ROOKIE DRAFT order

1. Melbourne

2. West Coast

3. Fremantle

4. Port Adelaide

5. Essendon

6. Carlton

7. Brisbane

8. Richmond

9. North Melbourne

10. Adelaide

11. Collingwood

12. Sydney

13. St. Kilda

14. Western Bulldogs

15. Geelong

16. Hawthorn

and so on ...

If Richmond get what they want, they will succeed in having an extras PSD pick as follows:

The new PRE SEASON DRAFT order

1. Melbourne

2. Port Adelaide

3. Essendon

4. Carlton

5. Brisbane

6. Richmond

7. Richmond

If the AFL allows Polak to be listed as a mature aged rookie (and I don't agree with doing this), then the order should be:

The PRE SEASON DRAFT order

1. Melbourne

2. Port Adelaide

3. Essendon

4. Carlton

5. Brisbane

6. Richmond (mature age player as a replacement for Polak)

PSD pick 7 moved to replace ROOKIE pick 8 as follows:

The new ROOKIE DRAFT order

1. Melbourne

2. West Coast

3. Fremantle

4. Port Adelaide

5. Essendon

6. Carlton

7. Brisbane

8. deleted and replaced by PSD 7

9. North Melbourne

10. Adelaide

11. Collingwood

12. Sydney

13. St. Kilda

14. Western Bulldogs

15. Geelong

16. Hawthorn

This way there is no change in the order of selection and nobody is disadvantaged.

Fair solution.

[e25 5]

Its messy. but it works. And nothing else I can think of works for all parties.

[montasaurus 0]

Its messy. but it works. And nothing else I can think of works for all parties.

A part from the Dee's pulling a shifty and taking cus.

Todays article in the HUN is word for word what the "Get CUS to MFC" camp have been saying apart from having the tigers players names. (I just can't let this go until tue is over)

[e25 5]

A part from the Dee's pulling a shifty and taking cus.

Todays article in the HUN is word for word what the "Get CUS to MFC" camp have been saying apart from having the tigers players names. (I just can't let this go until tue is over)

You mean the "Get CUS to MFC" camp on these boards, do you?

Richmond are also in a very different ladder position/ list development stage to the MFC, so the arguments the tiges use that work, don't necessarily translate to the dees.

[H_T 3,043]

You mean the "Get CUS to MFC" camp on these boards, do you?

Richmond are also in a very different ladder position/ list development stage to the MFC, so the arguments the tiges use that work, don't necessarily translate to the dees.

Would be interested to know how many members the "Get CUZ to MFC club" have?

I wouldn't of thought the group would be in double digits, put it that way.

[The Oracle 130]

Interesting view from a poster over at Dockerland:

I believe that Fremantle's objection may be to do with Richmond's real reasons for wanting an extra PSD pick. Richmond committed to take a player in the PSD before they decided they also wanted Cousins. Fremantle are also interested in this player. If Richmond use their PSD pick on Cousins, the player they originally wanted will be picked by Fremantle at pick 3 of the rookie draft and Richmond will not be able to draft him. By freeing up Polak's spot, they can have two PSD picks and take both Cousins and this other player. It's got nothing to do with what's best for Polak.

The thick plottens!

[wisedog 352]

It was reported in the Herald Sun today that Richmond's priority is youth, and if they don't get the extra pick, they won't take Cousins...

So regardless of the outcome, both Melbourne and Fremantle's recruiting will be unaffected, unless Richmond do get the extra pick only to pass on Cousins. <_<

[Whispering_Jack 29,780]

It was reported in the Herald Sun today that Richmond's priority is youth, and if they don't get the extra pick, they won't take Cousins...

So regardless of the outcome, both Melbourne and Fremantle's recruiting will be unaffected, unless Richmond do get the extra pick only to pass on Cousins. <_<

In effect that's probably right as long as Richmond are forced to use their first pick in the rookie draft to formally take Polak. Otherwise, they would effectively have the huge advantage of picking up a senior player like Cousins for the last pick in the rookie draft i.e. about 130-135 overall.

The problem is that it also creates a new precedent which yet again waters down the spirit and the meaning of the draft. Already, the AFL has made enough changes to the rules which ,along with changes in the marketplace have rendered the PSD virtually redundant and the first pick in that draft is almost worthless.

[rpfc 28,262]

Polak's injury happened outside football. I don't see a severe precedent here. Devastating things will happen outside of footy and the AFL shouldn't take itself so seriously.

[Axis of Bob 11,684]

"Shouldn't take itself too seriously"

The AFL TV rights were worth about $700 million dollars. Some players are being paid nearly a million dollars a year. This isn't the Darebin under 13s we're talking about.

Also, the reason why Ramanauskas was allowed to be a rookie was because he would otherwise have been delisted. He was out of contract and so Essendon had the choice of keeping him on the list or not. Polak is currently contracted and the Tigers would have no choice about whether he stays on the list or goes.

The entire decision is football club, rather that player, based. It's not about Polak's wellbeing, because he'll be on an AFL list regardless of what happens. The only thing that benefits is Richmond, not Polak.

What Richmond are trying to do is to change up their last rookie pick for, what is effectively, a rookie draft priority pick. Pick 90 (or whatever) becomes PSD pick 7. Polak is completely unaffected by the decision, as he'll just get moved to the long term injury list anyway. It's only about which player replaces him on the senior list: rookie pick 90, or preseason pick 7.

People need to separate the issues rather than simply saying "Polak was hit by a tram, so it's like Rama". It's not like Rama. Not even close.

[Guest 13Jakovich]

People need to separate the issues rather than simply saying "Polak was hit by a tram, so it's like Rama". It's not like Rama. Not even close.

Good post Axis, the issue has nothing at all to do with Polaks well being, it's the type of thing you would expect Carlton to do.

[jacey 333]

APPLICATION REJECTED.

Clubs opposed it. AFL got something right.

[e25 5]

APPLICATION REJECTED.

Clubs opposed it. AFL got something right.

God, I hope Richmond still picks him up. I just wanna see him running around playing again, no matter who its for. ... as long as it isn't us.

[H_T 3,043]

Tiger supporters will EAT ALIVE their club tomorrow if Richmond don't select Cousins with pick 6.

[e25 5]

Tiger supporters will EAT ALIVE their club tomorrow if Richmond don't select Cousins with pick 6.

And poor Kade Klemke... if he gets picked up by the tiges instead & isn't pretty good straight away..... (which he won't be)

[H_T 3,043]

And poor Kade Klemke... if he gets picked up by the tiges instead & isn't pretty good straight away..... (which he won't be)

I thought it was D.Gourdis.

[e25 5]

I thought it was D.Gourdis.

The word is Klemke, but whoever it is will feel the heat

[H_T 3,043]

The RFC website will go into meltdown this afternoon. Members are voting with their messages and imporing the tigers to select Cousins tomorrow.

[QueenC 74]

The RFC website will go into meltdown this afternoon. Members are voting with their messages and imporing the tigers to select Cousins tomorrow.

How times change......

But they can still select Cousins, put Polak on the long term injury list (which was going to happen), and then promote a rookie anyway, right?

[Diablo 1]

I thought it was D.Gourdis.

Gourdis was Richmond's first pick in the pre-season draft last year. He was delisted at the end of the season if I'm not mistaken. Unless they are planning on redrafting him (seems unlikely) it won't be Gourdis.

[bjgc 0]

We should go for Cousins. Connelly said we will go for the best player in the PSD experienced or not that would be Cousins. They clearly stated in the draft that they want a player with grunt Cousins again and we want players who can run and kick Cousins ticks all the boxes. Rockcliff is slow and not very fit, DeBoer can't kick and Sibasado is lazy they don't generally fit the criteria that Melbourne are after. We already have a heap of youngsters if anything we need an experienced player like Cousins not to mention the massive media coverage we will get and the extra 5 to 10,000 we will get to the Kangas game just to see this guy play. Take a risk Melbourne get some excitement back into the team cause ATM there is not much to get excited about with the exception of Watts who will need a couple of years of development to become the gun we need.

[montasaurus 0]

We should go for Cousins. Connelly said we will go for the best player in the PSD experienced or not that would be Cousins. They clearly stated in the draft that they want a player with grunt Cousins again and we want players who can run and kick Cousins ticks all the boxes. Rockcliff is slow and not very fit, DeBoer can't kick and Sibasado is lazy they don't generally fit the criteria that Melbourne are after. We already have a heap of youngsters if anything we need an experienced player like Cousins not to mention the massive media coverage we will get and the extra 5 to 10,000 we will get to the Kangas game just to see this guy play. Take a risk Melbourne get some excitement back into the team cause ATM there is not much to get excited about with the exception of Watts who will need a couple of years of development to become the gun we need.

The only reason i see for us not to draft cousins is if we are tanking for next years draft already. If cus was to play 18+ games next year he would be a big chance of winning our B+F.

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[Guest hangon007]

This is a great day for football ... dont know whether to laugh or cry.

Feel sorry for Polak used as a pawn. Tigers fans about to become ferrel.

What a great day it is.

Can Gourdis sue ... for breach of contract if Tigers do take Cousins?

[Deeoldfart 8,005]

................. get some excitement back into the team cause ATM there is not much to get excited about ...........

Sorry bjgc, but I can't possibly agree with that view.

[hillie 41]

definately think the afl got this decision right. there are already rules in place for the situation where a player has a long term injury. they can promote a rookie to replace him. i would have thought it was pretty simple