B - Carroll Frawley Bartram

HB - Bruce Rivers Sylvia

C - Morton Jones Davey

HF - Natanui Bate Maric

F - Wonemarri Green Robertson

R - R.Warnock McLean Cousins

I/C - McDonald Moloney Pettard P.Johnson

Emer - Miller, Grimes, Wheatley, Newton, Garland, Dunn, Buckley etc..

I think the above team shows why it is the smart thing to finish bottom wand qualify for a priority at the end of ROund 1. We could trade this pick for young gun ruckman, the 206cm Robbie Warnock from Freo.

We would also have pick 1 in the PSD, which we could use to bring a rejuvenated Ben Cousins to the MFC.

The above tean is exciting, fresh, skilled and unpredictable.

Three ruckman, two of them capable of playing as followers or forwards (Natanui and PJ)

If Bruce is to be retained, then play him as a shutdown defender that can run off his opponenet, as he only plays two good games a year on Brad Johnson. Sylvia to give some spark off the backline too, with the ability to play midfield/forward.

Plenty of pace with Davey, Wonemarri, Pettard, Natanui, Maric, Frawley, Bartam.

A much better forwward structure. With Neitz gone, Brad Green will play FF and flourish. teams will have their hands full trying to stop the three exciting freaks in Wonna, Maric and Davey. And of course, Natanui will cause havoc up forward.

Anyway, you can fiddle around with the team all you like, the point is that if we finish with less than 5 wins we will get some nice reward.

Tanking after 7 rounds

Bah I was tanking from round 1

We won 5 games last year so i thort we were not eligable whatever happens-Don't want Cousins at Melbourne to be honest, bad influence

B - Carroll Frawley Bartram

HB - Bruce Rivers Sylvia

C - Morton Jones Davey

HF - Natanui Bate Maric

F - Wonemarri Green Robertson

R - R.Warnock McLean Cousins

I/C - McDonald Moloney Pettard P.Johnson

Emer - Miller, Grimes, Wheatley, Newton, Garland, Dunn, Buckley etc..

I think the above team shows why it is the smart thing to finish bottom wand qualify for a priority at the end of ROund 1. We could trade this pick for young gun ruckman, the 206cm Robbie Warnock from Freo.

We would also have pick 1 in the PSD, which we could use to bring a rejuvenated Ben Cousins to the MFC.

The above tean is exciting, fresh, skilled and unpredictable.

Three ruckman, two of them capable of playing as followers or forwards (Natanui and PJ)

If Bruce is to be retained, then play him as a shutdown defender that can run off his opponenet, as he only plays two good games a year on Brad Johnson. Sylvia to give some spark off the backline too, with the ability to play midfield/forward.

Plenty of pace with Davey, Wonemarri, Pettard, Natanui, Maric, Frawley, Bartam.

A much better forwward structure. With Neitz gone, Brad Green will play FF and flourish. teams will have their hands full trying to stop the three exciting freaks in Wonna, Maric and Davey. And of course, Natanui will cause havoc up forward.

Anyway, you can fiddle around with the team all you like, the point is that if we finish with less than 5 wins we will get some nice reward.

You really are a sniffler!

To teach players to "tank" is really going to give them the correct attitude?

Teach them and expect them to do their best all the time and to try to win every game means they will give their all always.

A sniffling country member could never see that!!!!

at this point in time, both rich and carlton qualify for a priority pick at the START of round 1. and as both of these teams are capable of losing every game 4 the rest of the year ala carlton last year, im not even thinking naitanui

Ah yes, lets win less than 5 games, lose $1-1.5 mill and face the prospect of having no club in 3 years.

Great plan...

Ah yes, lets win less than 5 games, lose $1-1.5 mill and face the prospect of having no club in 3 years.

Great plan...

I agree. Lets actually try real hard to win. One Pick does not make a club. Judd and Buddy Franklin may get injured this year, changing the make up of the year considerably. Tanking really gets me sick in the Guts. Norm Smith would not codone it at all!!!! WIN

This thread will be relevant if we get spanked over the next fortnight against Adelaide and Hawthorn.

Good to see you have Bruce in your side YM.

This is ridiculous. What kind of supporter actually advocates for a team to lose? Anyone that thinks that tanking from round 7 or at any time in a season is ok is a complete muppet. And, given we won 5 games last year, we would have to tank for 2 seasons to get a priority pick, and hope another team doesnt do it before us. Why bother? Go out and give everything, sure might lose a few, but thats what re-building is about isnt it?

This is ridiculous. What kind of supporter actually advocates for a team to lose? Anyone that thinks that tanking from round 7 or at any time in a season is ok is a complete muppet. And, given we won 5 games last year, we would have to tank for 2 seasons to get a priority pick, and hope another team doesnt do it before us. Why bother? Go out and give everything, sure might lose a few, but thats what re-building is about isnt it?

Ask Hawk fans if they're now happy with their team's poor performances in the year they picked up Buddy Franklin.

i would be 100% against getting counsins.

sure he's a great player, but...

1) he's 31 yrs old...he has 2 yrs left in him max. we are not at the stage of development where we should be picking up old players.

2) he will bring a bad vibe/bad culture to the club. he epitomizes what's wrong with football (and drugs in football)...no thank you.

the only positive for drafting him is that he is supposedly the best trainer going around, so the younger players could learn how hard they have to train in order to get success. this, however, is not enough of a reason to pick him up

on the matter of tanking ... just look at the team singing the song on sunday & the obvious delight of wona & morton inside the circle. I want more of that for our young players. if we keep losing what effect will it have on them & why would anyone want to play for us or support us? all very well for we rusted-on supporters.

on the matter of tanking ... just look at the team singing the song on sunday & the obvious delight of wona & morton inside the circle. I want more of that for our young players. if we keep losing what effect will it have on them & why would anyone want to play for us or support us? all very well for we rusted-on supporters.

Yes, but when it comes time to buy a membership or gather sponsors for 2009 the factors that go into people coming on board are not going to be swayed by a 2008 season of 6 wins and 16 losses, as opposed to 2 wins and 20 losses.

Personally, I want to keep the side young with only Bruce, Green, Wheatley, White, Robertson, and McDonald as stalwarts, with Carroll, Neitz, Whelan, Holland, Yze only coming in for selected games or injury to the previous 6.

If we win games with that young team, then great, if not...

Failure gets its own reward.

PS. On the fact of the effect of losing on the players - I don't see how an extra handful of wins spread over the season is going to markedly help their psyche...

id rather us persue another big name for the PSD draft, cousins will not be playing AFL next year, and if he does, itll be a the pies

get us fev for 3 years

I'm far from a draft expert ... but surely we're going to get an early pick in a good draft. we're not in carlton's class for engineering &, call me holy, but I don't want to be. let's try for wins so we don't ruin the kids.

Ask Hawk fans if they're now happy with their team's poor performances in the year they picked up Buddy Franklin.

With respect, we didn't win a wooden spoon and we picked up Franklin at 5th pick. No-one likes losing and the priority pick is a joke, but the socialism of the AFL at least gives EVERYONE a shot at the title, including the Dees. I hated watching us play like crap for about four seasons, but early picks don't guarantee you flags. There's an awfully long way to go yet. Cheers.

With respect, we didn't win a wooden spoon and we picked up Franklin at 5th pick. No-one likes losing and the priority pick is a joke, but the socialism of the AFL at least gives EVERYONE a shot at the title, including the Dees. I hated watching us play like crap for about four seasons, but early picks don't guarantee you flags. There's an awfully long way to go yet. Cheers.

It helps if Richmond pass up on two choice KPP draft picks ahead of you.

A way to go yes, but not an awfully long way...much of the building materials are already in place and should be taking shape by 2010

Bartam, Frawley, Petterd

Rivers, Martin, MacNamara

Morton, McLean, recruit zippy midfielder

Johnson, Jones, Grimes

Davey, recruit CHF, Bate

Maric, recruit FF, Maric

Spencer, recruit zippy midfielder, recruit tagger, develop utlity

Yes I'm calling MacNamara, Grimes, Maric, Spencer and Martin early, but IMO to be a top team by 2010 we need to draft, trade and develop just 6 more players.

With respect, we didn't win a wooden spoon and we picked up Franklin at 5th pick. No-one likes losing and the priority pick is a joke, but the socialism of the AFL at least gives EVERYONE a shot at the title, including the Dees. I hated watching us play like crap for about four seasons, but early picks don't guarantee you flags. There's an awfully long way to go yet. Cheers.

Couple of points.

1. The priority pick system has changed since then. The advantage that you guys received in having 2 top 5 picks heavily outweighs what teams receive now.

2. You were lucky that Richmond screwed up.

You're right that early pick don't guarantee successbut if the Hawks had of finished mid table in those years then you'd be without several highly talented players, your team would very different to what it is today. At the very least those early picks helped alot.

I'm far from a draft expert ... but surely we're going to get an early pick in a good draft. we're not in carlton's class for engineering &, call me holy, but I don't want to be. let's try for wins so we don't ruin the kids.

I really wish that we were good enough to tank.

I'm far from a draft expert ... but surely we're going to get an early pick in a good draft. we're not in carlton's class for engineering &, call me holy, but I don't want to be. let's try for wins so we don't ruin the kids.

I don't think it will ruin the kids..they may feel a little glum for awhile, but when things get rolling again the bad times are soon forgotten

I don't think it will ruin the kids..they may feel a little glum for awhile, but when things get rolling again the bad times are soon forgotten

Don't let Bailey confuse you with his "trying to build a winning culture" type mentallity we are employing a youth policy that is resulitng in us having some big losses

Yze_Magic,

We do not want Ben Cousins he is like a "weed" that can spread through an entire football club

Disappointing YM.

You say you bleed red and blue yet you don't want us to win games.

Disgraceful.

Who are we going to beat? On current form we only have a chance against Essendon and WCE at home. It is time to get real, we need early draft picks and three in the top 25 is a good start. My team is a little different to Y_M

Petterd Frawley Martin

Bell Rivers Bartram

Davey Mclean Sylvia

Morton Hurley Bate

Maric PJ Aussie

Warnock Jones Grimes