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We can now move on from the whole team needs to be an elite kick in order to play an attacking brand of footy. We didn’t come out mentally beaten before the game started because of injuries or because we’ve been owned by Freo in recent years.

My Irish Collingwood supporting mate just sent me this. “Nothing wrong with accuracy today mate. Getting plenty of umpires calls today”.

Attitude and effort.

Both teams had players out.

Put it into context to be fair.

Freo 40+ is paying $3.45

I don’t agree with what you’re saying but I have no issue with it nor with your tone. I’ve actually agreed with a lot of your posts over the years. I wasn’t trying to discredit you just merely pointing out you’ve replied to all of my posts bar 1 or 2. The ones when I questioned your statement that “the players aren’t playing to the gameplan”. Footage was shown during the week of examples of Viney & Oliver constantly ignoring outside running options instead opting for the long bomb down the line. If I’m waiting on the out side for a handball receive and constantly getting ignored I’m thinking to myself why bother. If I’m JVR or Fritsch constantly playing in a congested fwd 50 and being expected to work miracles from a footy that constantly gets bombed in I’m thinking why bother. Best example I can give you is the Bulldogs, JUH is an entitled player not doing the team thing and has been dealt with accordingly by the coach / club. I’m guessing Oliver’s issues didn’t come over night but crept along and were ignored ti some extent by the coach / club until they blew out of proportion, remember the 9 week hamstring. This has a flow on effect to the playing group. Footy starts in the middle of the ground and Oliver & Viney are two of the biggest culprits of not playing to this new gameplan yet remain selected while others get dropped, that is a coaching issue. If Goodwin thinks that Fritsch’s and JVR’S problems are nothing to do with the the quality of entry into the fwd 50 he shouldn’t be coaching today. I’ve got to finish vacuuming the house before the wife gets home or I’ll be shot. Sorry forgot to add although the Dogs have dropped some games look at the way they play considering the personal they’ve had out. No excuses from them at all.

@Macca i know you’ve got a few conversations on the go but you are not replying to some of the comments that show your argument to be flawed. Reminds me of another poster who is never wrong.

What would you do with Oliver, Viney and Sparrow?

Should of dropped Viney and Oliver because they’re not adhering to the gameplan, but a soft coach wouldn’t do that.

They’d be a few coaches in waiting sitting back saying to themselves I could do a lot with this list. There’d be more coaches sitting back saying thar player could add a lot to team going forward he’s being wasted at Melbourne.

They showed footage during the week of players running in numbers to receive the handball only for Oliver and Viney to boot it long down the line, again. Goodwins answer to this is to drop Fritsch and JVR. The coach is the bludging.

Yes and no, it’s human behaviour, everyone responds differently / needs different motivation. My biggest concern is we have a lot of talent on our list and right now other clubs are eyeing our players off, I believe the longer Goodwin stays on the more damage he is doing in terms of quality players looking at leaving come seasons end. I’ve been a supporting this club my whole life and i’m in my 21st year as a Redleg member but if I’m being honest I want us to get flogged today because I want Goodwin gone. I don’t believe he’s capable (I’m not blaming the assistants even though some also aren’t capable) of turning things around, he’s to blame as he is the head coach. Happy to cop flack for this but I’m being honest, we’ve got too much talent to be playing the way we are and copping the losses we have against ordinary opposition. We’ve all seen this play out before only difference is this time we’ve got a lot more to lose in terms of quality players, which will make it harder for us to bounce back.

So the gameplan is the players fault too? I think that’s why some of the players have given up because they’re watching every other club go past and Goodwin refuses to budge. I read earlier (can’t remember which thread) that Goodwin has been trying to implement a new game plan since 2024, that makes it even worse. The little I saw of the Eagles last night they had some really good passages of play moving the footy at pace, running in numbers.

And that’s why we have a head coach but he has enabled certain behaviours to creep into the side ie Oliver. This club is currently like my workplace, highly paid individuals paid well to perform, most of us do but a small minority don’t share the same work ethic, don’t go the extra yard and ride on the back of others hard work. They are dragging jobs out to intentionally gain extra overtime and in some cases rework is required cutting into any profit for that job. My boss argues with me that I’m paying you all well, you’re all experienced so this shouldn’t be happening, I simply replied you knew what these people were like when you hired them, you knew there strengths and weaknesses, these behaviours are not new, they’ve been acting out from day one and you chose to do nothing, eighteen months later you can’t reign them in and you’re acting surprised.

JVR is soft. JVR and Fritsch won’t go near a contest. Anyone else agree with this?

Disagree Macca. Goodwin is the one who is soft, I'm a massive fan of Fritsch and resisted calls for him to be dropped earlier this season citing gameplan and our fwd 50 entries were to blame. Yes he was lazy defensively, but when public challenged he responded and subsequently gets dropped the following week. Why hadn’t Goodwin dropped one of / combination of Viney, Oliver or Sparrow. Does he think that they’re not the problem or can’t bring himself to do it?

So with JVR who is a developing KPF it’s his fault not the lack of coaching and gameplan which gives him little chance to succeed?

Are they? Well Goodwin has the power to drop the players, set the parameters for culture and drive change, he is the head coach. Or has he become too close to some of the players and allowed standards for some to drop? This is in addition to our gameplan, skills etc.

North’s last 113 games. 16 wins 1 draw 96 losses This competition can’t sustain 19 & 20 teams.

When they’re our home games Tigers / Pies still bring the crowd and we profit heavily.

On current form Collingwood will destroy us and take pleasure in doing so.

Be careful, we’ve got Anzac Eve and KB.

Carlton and their supporters carry on like North did when they beat us. The circle of life.