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11 years and counting in the Redlegs.

I would have thought key forwards should aim for 1 goal per qtr.

Whoever kicks the goals I want to see the team start to settle down. I was under the impression Frost was recruited as a key back, if that's the case leave him bloody down there. Find a spot a Howe, my preference is forward, where ever it is leave him there. We will have a number of new "best 22" this year. Let the team settle and hopefully through consistency and familiarity we will start to see improvement.

Cheers, fixed up the spelling and no I don't think so. He's had his chances, not sure how the captaincy affected his ability to kick. Salem could kick hence why we drafted him. If your two big lumbering defenders have ordinary disposal you could cop that but we are supposed to be moving forward not treading water. We need to try someone else, Salem is an option. Purely my opinion.

JETTA FROST DUNN SALEM T MAC THE PRINCE VINCE JONES TOUMPAS WATTS DAWES HOWE GARLETT HOGAN JKH JAMAR TYSON CROSS VINEY MICHIE PEDO KENT Insert GAWN/FITZY for round 1. Class and run off half back. Dunn can play third tall if needed, I think he's quite versatile. Was impressed with Frosts highlights, he will only get better. Cross must play, his work around stoppages is invaluable. Multiple options up forward. JKH to be given a chance in a functioning forward line.

The Flash in his prime.

No one (in theory) is an automatic selection anymore. About bloody time. T Mac, Frost and Dunn can be the three talls.

Still two or three to join them. Hopefully the days of delisting a qtr of your list every year are gone.

Exactly, being articulate shouldn't count.

If you are a leader/supervisor of any description in any kind of workplace you need to be able to do just that. You can give all the speeches you want but if you can't deliver yourself you will soon loose face with the group. We are all guilty of overrating our list, its time to cut the deadwood and move on. This means no passengers. And if what some people think is true, that is he will be voted into the leadership group because he is popular/ a great clubman well that decision needs to be taken out of the hands of the players for the short term. I might be in the minority but for mine he's no best 22. As some have already alluded to was he pushed. The notion his decision to step aside was an example of his character.....should of done it twelve months ago.

The interesting thing is are we going to change the way we play. What does the Goodwin gameplan look like. This year was all about defence, as we know we havnt had the players to play like Port. I think we will see the gameplan slowly evolve over the next year or two. I think Roos is smart enough to realise what worked before will not necessarily work again, Freo being a good example. Teams need to be able to lock a game down and control it when needed, and also take it on when needed. Regardless if you can't dispose of the ball short, long or sideways your days are numbered. As we have recruited well over the past two summers I believe this may be the case for Grimes.

So how many years do we give Jack to improve his kicking?.......two,three?My back six would consist of McDonald, Frost, Dunn, The Prince and Jetta. There is enough experience there to cover a youngster on the other back flank. I would like to someone like Salem tried in this position. If your two key defenders have average/poor disposal you can cop that, but not from your back flanks. At least offer some run and carry. Being articulate and a great bloke doesn't make you a good footballer. I look forward to the day where people's best 22's don't include Grimes or Jordie Bloody McKenzie.

North was also my choice, I rate them a bit better than ordinary. They seem to push us off the footy to easily.

If Cross is fit I'd play him all year. Games must be earnt not given. We supposedly dominated the draft "again". How quickly we forget they're kids.

And to think Trengove was nearly at Tigerland. Good to see the club isn't pulling any punches. Nice guys finish.....last or very bloody close to it.

Agree, I posted a best 22 for next year and he wasn't in it, and that was before the draft.

As mentioned above, average age/experience of our players. No Mitch, no Chip, Dawes in the third year of his contract, Vince might be on something half decent. We should be able to satisfy Jones and still be able to make a big play for a free agent come seasons end.

In a nutshell....

Was a bit of a strange "best 22" thrown up.

Its called "theatre".

Really need to start exploring other options for our bank flanks. Whilst The Prince may at times be on one would like to see someone with better disposal than Grimes given a go.

So Jordie has played his last game then??

Brayshaw/De Goey.

And Glen Jackovich

I didn't hear anything, having said that I live in Sydney and am not across everything. I disagree, I think he's a better option forward. Now with two genuine smalls and hopefully two genuine talls consistently on the park I think he could prove a difficult match up for some. Withs Watts and others to rotate across half forward.