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Exactly, being articulate shouldn't count.

If you are a leader/supervisor of any description in any kind of workplace you need to be able to do just that. You can give all the speeches you want but if you can't deliver yourself you will soon loose face with the group. We are all guilty of overrating our list, its time to cut the deadwood and move on. This means no passengers. And if what some people think is true, that is he will be voted into the leadership group because he is popular/ a great clubman well that decision needs to be taken out of the hands of the players for the short term. I might be in the minority but for mine he's no best 22. As some have already alluded to was he pushed. The notion his decision to step aside was an example of his character.....should of done it twelve months ago.

The interesting thing is are we going to change the way we play. What does the Goodwin gameplan look like. This year was all about defence, as we know we havnt had the players to play like Port. I think we will see the gameplan slowly evolve over the next year or two. I think Roos is smart enough to realise what worked before will not necessarily work again, Freo being a good example. Teams need to be able to lock a game down and control it when needed, and also take it on when needed. Regardless if you can't dispose of the ball short, long or sideways your days are numbered. As we have recruited well over the past two summers I believe this may be the case for Grimes.

So how many years do we give Jack to improve his kicking?.......two,three?My back six would consist of McDonald, Frost, Dunn, The Prince and Jetta. There is enough experience there to cover a youngster on the other back flank. I would like to someone like Salem tried in this position. If your two key defenders have average/poor disposal you can cop that, but not from your back flanks. At least offer some run and carry. Being articulate and a great bloke doesn't make you a good footballer. I look forward to the day where people's best 22's don't include Grimes or Jordie Bloody McKenzie.

North was also my choice, I rate them a bit better than ordinary. They seem to push us off the footy to easily.

If Cross is fit I'd play him all year. Games must be earnt not given. We supposedly dominated the draft "again". How quickly we forget they're kids.

And to think Trengove was nearly at Tigerland. Good to see the club isn't pulling any punches. Nice guys finish.....last or very bloody close to it.

Agree, I posted a best 22 for next year and he wasn't in it, and that was before the draft.

As mentioned above, average age/experience of our players. No Mitch, no Chip, Dawes in the third year of his contract, Vince might be on something half decent. We should be able to satisfy Jones and still be able to make a big play for a free agent come seasons end.

In a nutshell....

Was a bit of a strange "best 22" thrown up.

Its called "theatre".

Really need to start exploring other options for our bank flanks. Whilst The Prince may at times be on one would like to see someone with better disposal than Grimes given a go.

So Jordie has played his last game then??

Brayshaw/De Goey.

And Glen Jackovich

I didn't hear anything, having said that I live in Sydney and am not across everything. I disagree, I think he's a better option forward. Now with two genuine smalls and hopefully two genuine talls consistently on the park I think he could prove a difficult match up for some. Withs Watts and others to rotate across half forward.

I really hope Salem gets a crack off half back. Makes interesting reading with people putting their teams forward. Grimes missing in a few of them. I opted not for pick 2 or 3 in my line up but like what some have done with Brayshaw as the sub, giving him the odd full game mid year.

Johnathon Brown.

Dawes is out for round 1?? I can't remember. Who ever we draft we must remember they are only 18. If they dominate reserves then bring them in. We need to remain competitive. We need multiple scoring options from our forwards, would love to see Gartlett and JKH show what they can do at the feet of a genuine tall forward. We have lacked class of half back, Salem is young and only has a handful of games under his belt but has good disposal and shows poise, can't do any worse than Grimes. The Prince will provide his trademark run. Was really impressed with Frosts highlights.

JETTA FROST DUNN SALEM MCDONALD THE PRINCE VINCE JONES TOUMPAS WATTS DAWES HOWE GARTLETT HOGAN JKH GAWN TYSON CROSS VINEY MICHIE NEWTON PEDO

Roo has two years left, who better to learn from as a lead up forward.

Taylor Walker just resigned for 3 years.

If true, give it to him and front end it.

Saints have pick 1, they are in a complete rebuild mode. They have to decide between two highly talented kids who just happen to play different positions. They are in need of both. As I mentioned before this in not a case of having picks 1 and 4 and hoping one of the players slides. If their decision is based on anything other than the research that their football department has done they should close their doors for good. Clubs have footy departments for a reason, all top kids have been tracked for years but all that goes out the window for a game of cat and mouse?Step 1 - indentify your needs. Step 2 - pick who best fills that need. Step 3 - don't listen to the crap being peddled by other clubs.