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Grimes is currently paying the price and Dawes should be joining him, but like you said most likely won't happen. No one should be exempt.

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Re Cloke.....had (past tense) Cloke still currently has major issues. Ed announce today that the club had employed the same sports phycologist that the Velvet Sledgehammer used a few years back.

Cotchin to receive the Dangerfield treatment .

Viney, Jones, Vince, Dunn, Jetta even Angus has the makings. Collectively as a team no but we have a couple who are.

Cmon Jumbo, there was a cheap laugh in that

In Meg Hutchins from the Dees woman's team. Plays in defence, takes the game on, better disposal than Grimes, will free up Howe to go forward.

Mabye not with the bookies WYL but it's a game we can and should win. Start like we did yesterday, get an early lead and the Tigers reverting back to chipping the ball sideways. TMac to Jack, Vince to Dusty and away we go. So far they've beaten up on Carlton and an undermanned Lions. They will be chock full of themselves come first bounce next weekend. After we beat them their coach should be sacked. What year of the their latest plan is he in now?

Taken 7 marks in 2 games, not sure how many were contested.

Lurking around the fringes.

watch it again and just watch the no.4

Who is Chris Dawes. Chris Dawes for 500.

Apparently should of been dropped.

When Roos was employed to coach the club, many people (myself included) asked the question what's the ratio of coaching, gameplan as opposed to building a culture. So far under Roos we've had two really good trade/draft periods. Roos said himself last year the focus was on defence. This year we put some attacking structures in place, we can do this now that our defense has improved out of sight and that we now have multiple attacking options. With regards to building a culture we have come to play every week, not because we lost the week before or its a milestone game or someone has passed. North and Richmond strike me as teams that play for an occasion as opposed to playing every week and the bubble normally bursts about qtr time.

We're playing a team that finished 11th last year. Dangerfield is a star, Sloane is a bloody good player but he's not a star. They too have some very young players and some veterans. Need Jamar to try and break even with Jacobs. Every player plays their role. Can't afford for the midfield to nod off. Believe in the game plan. Back each other in. This is a winnable game. Sick of this defeatus crap.

If we don't switch off like we did last week there's no reason why we can't take it up to them.

In breaking news the team flew back last night because apparently we're no chance.

Where's all this depth gone...... We need a ruckman, another key forward(even if we draft one) and still more mids.

Someone mentioned before the season started to play him out of the square with Garlett sniffing around his feed, Watts on a flank and Hogan at CHF. Couldn't hurt to try. I don't think his kicking is the issue its getting his hands on the ball, if he's not marking it he's getting beaten at ground level, not through lack of effort though.

Try again.....ok, the modern game requires players to be verstile. Fwd's that can go into the ruck, mids can go fwd or to a back flank, kpd need to be able to play on tall/medium fwd's. Dawes is ineffective in the ruck. As a fwd he's not taking marks or kicking goals. As a defender I've no doubt he could stand and wrestle with Cloke but how would he go against Buddy, Jack or Nick Riowoldt, Pav, Roughy, Petrie? As for crashing packs as a defender I have visions of him being late to the contest, unable to punch the ball away resulting in giving away free kicks. His role is a fwd, he can play as we all know, but he is out of form big time. If he has a shocker this week he should be dropped and we swing Howe fwd. As we strive to become better no one should be exempt from being dropped.

Is he quick enough? Not every contest a pack forms.

The modern defender does more than just punch the ball. At times some KP defenders will back themselves to mark the ball and then send the ball back into attack by either kicking it, offloading to someone running by or even taking a bounce and going for a run.

Is being a presence on the ground enough? Would of been handy to have when Watts made his debut. Watts has now grown into his body and Hogan can handle himself. Yes he presents/makes a contest/applied pressure but needs to start taking some marks and converting.

Id go the other way but can't see Dawes or Frost getting dropped.

I thought we'd all moved on from McKenzie.