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Agreed. Why give preference to big clubs. It shows the uneven nature of the competition. But what’s new!!
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Jon Anderson's Best 22 Since 1970
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Woewodin? No. He had a great year or no but doesn’t deserve to be in our best 22 in the past 50 years. Maybe 30-35 ranked. -
I’m afraid Vdberger may be added to the long list of Dees whose career was destroyed by injury. ?
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Jon Anderson's Best 22 Since 1970
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That’s the team. I reckon it’s a great lineup. I will await Werridee to confirm. Some observations - Full back was the hardest position. Wight deserves the nod. - Hardeman was an absolute champion and the standout choice for CHB - Alan Johnson could be in the wing but that centreline is sensational - Good luck stopping that forward line - Gerard Healy was a star. He could have been one of our greatest ever players if he’d stayed. - Northey or Daniher as coach, obviously *Emergencies- Jeff White, Steven Febey, James McDonald , Russell Robertson, Greg Parke. *Assistant coach - Neale Daniher -
Greatest wins (best 50 in the last 50 years)
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No.33 1986 Round 18 v Collingwood at Victoria Park In 1986, Barassi had gone after the 5-year plan failed to deliver us a return to finals actions. Replaced by John Northey. Gerard Healy our star player had moved to Sydney for big $$$. Robbie Flower was retuning after missing 1985. Whilst still skilled, his body was now looking fragile. There were serious season ending knee injuries to Icke & Giles. Steven Smith retired. Kelvin Templetons body failed him and he retired/ was sacked. We needed the youth who had graduated through the successful under 19s teams from 1981-84 to stand up. Veterans like Moore, Zantuck and Jarrott had stayed to help the youngsters develop. I had been to see some wins and some horrible losses at Victoria Park so it wasn’t a foreign ground. We’d only just lost in 1985 after a valiant effort. It was a short train ride, totally surrounded by black and white. My dad and I were seriously outnumbered. I recall via the transistor, I heard that Peter Moore had pulled out before the game. Not good. Despite that, the game started well with Williams and Stretch goals (Stretch went off injured shortly after) and despite the Pies getting back on top, a goal to Johnson and a Battiston snap fired up the Dees to lead into half time. Could we? Brian Taylor had kicked most of Collingwood goals and so bustling Danny Hughes was shifted forward for the 2nd half. Young 21yo defender Paul Payne moved to Taylor. Robin White was keeping Daicos under control. White was a tenacious small back who tackled hard. Battiston, Healy, Connolly were now winning the contested footy and pumping it forward. Alan Johnson was on fire. Allday was winning the ruck. Suddenly the mixed forwards of Cordner and Hughes goaled and I remember Alan Johnson slamming through a goal from about 50metres. 6 goals for the quarter and we were now up by 3 goals. This undermanned Demons team (4 wins, 11th place) was beating the Pies at their home. They would slip out of the five if we won. The crowd was not happy. Taylor kicked his 6th goal at the start of the last quarter but a Steve Turner spoil denied him the next. Steve Turner and Paul Payne were not the classiest or talented players but they gave 100%. It was tight and tough but the Dees team held on in the last and a final Dees goal around the 20 minute mark had us back out to 3 goals up. When the siren went, it sent us into wonderland. This mixed bag team had won it. Northey was jubilant. Melbourne 16.9.105 defeated Collingwood 13.14.92 -
Greatest wins (best 50 in the last 50 years)
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No.34 1975 Round 18 v Richmond at MCG As a young 7 year old boy growing up in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne, I was mad on the footy and in 1975, I went with my dad to our first games together watching the Demons. I knew Melbourne was a “bottom team” (courtesy of the school yard) but that we used to be very good. In 1975 we were improving and I remember going to some winning games with my Dad. This one against the Tigers holds memories. The Tigers were dual reigning premiers in 1973 and 74. Bourke, Balme, Bartlett, Sheedy etc etc. They had plenty of stars. They were a “top team”. Lots of kids in the school loved the Tigers (and Blues and Magpies). It was rare to find a Demon supporter. Yet on this day, my eternal bond to the Melbourne footy club was boosted. With big Carl Ditterich leading the way, the Dees caused a huge upset. We won by 7 goals and I remember being so happy that I could “brag” on the Monday morning to my mates who were Tigers supporters. Big Carl was probably my first ever Demon that I remember. I recall Wells and Alves as stars and of course the young Robbie amazing us kids with his skills. But Ditterich was a huge figure for a young boy. I would sit by the fence in my first year or two and just watch the players mainly. Ditterich grabbed the game by the throat and threw himself into everything and everyone. Stan Alves was a champion and all class. He kicked 5 goals on this day. Greg Wells was as tough and determined and clever a centreman as there was. He thrashed the Tigers midfield singlehanded, delivering the ball to Flower and Alves. A young left footer by the name of Terry Wilkins also I remember as a pretty good footballer (I remember him also from the VFL days on a Sunday being a champion with Sandringham). Peter Keenan was also amazing. Big marks and goals. 4 goals. Some might think Crackers Keenan as the bloke who is mad, attends sportsmen nights and is a Port Melbourne tragic. He was a very good footballer and a shame he left the Dees after 1975. Steven Smith was a young star. He played CHF as a teenager (in the time when smacks to the head of stray elbows were expected). He was as good a key forward as Neitz or Schwarz were at his age and at 19 was destined for a great career. Aside from the stars like Alves, Hardeman, Flower and Wells, I grew up in this era, learning about Demons players like Ray Biffin, Henry Coles, Shane Fitzsimmons, Tony Sullivan, Frank Giampaolo, Tony “Spud” Dullard. They (we) had some tough years, but on this day, we had beaten the mighty Tigers. Go Demons!!! Melbourne 19.13.127 defeated Richmond 12.18.90 -
Greatest wins (best 50 in the last 50 years)
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Thanks 58er. Apology. Yes that meant to be Lions won the 2001,2002 and 2003 premierships (not 2011,12,13). They were a powerhouse and our upset victory over them was sensational. -
Greatest wins (best 50 in the last 50 years)
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No.35 2002 Round 14 v Lions at the Gabba For financial reasons, the Dees administration had sold off one of our Home games to be played in Brisbane. It was footy madness but showed our strained financial position. After a down 2001, the team had rebounded in 2002 and leading into round 14 were 7 wins 6 losses. We had some good tough wins and reasserted ourselves as a top 8 team. After a narrow loss to the powerful Bombers, and the emotional retirement of David Schwarz, the team headed north for the Away “home “ game. Watching on TV was cruel. This should have been at the MCG. The Lions were now a powerful outfit. As reigning premiers from 2001, they were on top and had won their prior 18 games straight at the Gabba. Voss. Akermanis. Black. Lappin. Power. Brown. Bradshaw. Lynch. Leppitsch. White. Pike. Mal Michael. A huge task to win this one. In the first quarter, the mountain got steeper. By the 15 minute mark it was 6 goals to the Lions to nil. We were being smashed. A few F bombs may have been uttered. The team finally got some chances and a goal to Neita started our day. In the second we lifted to challenge and got back to 2 goals down but late goals gave the Lions a 30 point advantage at half time. The momentum seemed wasted. But the 3rd quarter was simply amazing. Neita kicked 3 goals to cut the margin back as the Dees kicked 7 goals to 3 goals to be only 9 points down at the last break. But we weren’t done. Despite the warm July conditions, we overran the Lions to run out with a 21 point victory. It was a 14 goal to 5 goal second half. There were many heroes. Neitz showed his leadership and talent with 7 goals on the toughest defender Mal Michael. Travis Johnstone was outstanding BOG with Stephen Powell, Shane Woewodin, Cam Bruce and Adem Yze in support. They had beaten the best midfield group in the league if not possibly of all time. Jeff White got on top in the ruck. Clint Bizzell controlled the defence as the sweeper and launched many defensive rebounds. But it was the lesser lights who shone brightest. Daniel Ward kicked 4 goals including two memorable fast running goals. Paul Wheatley launches a bomb from 70 metres out to lift the team. Peter Vardy showed why he was recruited with a smart game across half forward. Brown dog and Peter Walsh had held Power and Ashcroft to no goals. Chris Lamb in his 7th game had beaten Lynch and kept him to 2 goals. It was a very satisfying victory which proved we had the ability to beat anyone on any day. Melbourne 20.11.131 defeated Brisbane 16.14.110 (Footnote - to show how amazing this win was, the Lions won the 2012 premiership- in fact 2011, 2012 & 2013). -
Delete. Bad memories especially that loss v cats.
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Greatest wins (best 50 in the last 50 years)
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No. 36 1994 Round 1 v Geelong at MCG To understand the importance of this win, it’s important to reflect what it meant. The Dees had made finals in 5 years across 1987 to 1991. But had fallen short each time of the elusive premiership. In 1992 and 1993 the team had fallen away and questions had to be answered. Balme had been brought in in 1993 but failed to achieve, with the team finishing 9th on 10 wins 10 losses. But there was talent. Stynes, Lyon, Viney, Obst, Lovett, Tingay, Lovell, Wight were now the experience. A young 21yo David Schwarz has shown ability as a CHF. A young 19yo key forward/back David Neitz had emerged in 1993. Sean Charles was back and was so fast and skilled. And of course Alan Jakovich was back after a frenzy of goals to end 1993. Could he stay fit to drive the Demons back to the finals. It was a hot March day for footy as we marched to the G for round 1. The Cats were a super talented team (eventually runners up in 94). They had Ablett, Bairstow, Couch, Hocking, Barnes, Riccardi. But What transpired excited all Demon fans. The Dees were fast and exciting. We built up a 4 goal lead by half time. But the Cats were very good so we remained anxious. But the lead grew and the goals flowed. A 9 goal last quarter saw us record a 65 point win. Simply we smashed the Cats through the sheer talent and ability of Jakovich, Schwarz and Lyon. Tingay, Viney and Obst controlled their middle. Sean Wight negated Gary Ablett. Stynes managed the ruck. But our forwards were amazing. Jakovich kicked 8 goals 8 behinds. He could have kicked 13-14 goals. 21 kicks. Schwarz was giving us a glimpse of his aerial ability and talent. He kicked 4 goals. Mcgrath, Handley, Oreilly, Mensch. The Cats backs had no answer. Lyon 5 goals from the HFF. Small forwards Andy Lovell 4 goals and new boy Jeff Hilton kicked 3 goals. It was a goal frenzy. The fans were dancing. Suddenly we had the firepower. We were back. Melbourne 26.18.174 defeated Geelong 16.13.109 -
Greatest wins (best 50 in the last 50 years)
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No. 37. Round 18 1979 v Essendon at MCG Perhaps one of the greatest turnaround in form in VFL/AFL history. In round 17, the Dees were obliterated by Fitzroy. A record 190 point loss (238-48). I was there at VFL Park and it was dark times. I remember leaving the ground (as a 12 year old) in stunned silence. I didn’t dare speak to my dad. It was ugly. It started to rain as we got in the car to drive home and I felt sick in the stomach. My team the mighty Demons had had a record VFL loss and were empty. 1979 had started with Ditterich back and recruited fabulous Phil Carmen. But Carmen left in controversy mid year and it was falling apart. I went the next week to the G but was not expecting much to be honest. We were playing Essendon who were in the 5 and about the same quality as the Lions. Ditterich was coach and I remember him saying it would be different with him back in the team. How right he was? By half time, it was game on. We were a few goals up and the forward line of young Robert Walters and Steven Smith were on fire. The Dees were unstoppable as Walters kicked 9 goals. Three more goals than the whole team kicked the prior week. Smith was a typical tall agile CHF and was a beautiful kick. The team had been suddenly reborn as Greg Wells ( definitely one of the best Demon players I’ve seen) , Robbie Flower and Ditterich lifted the rest of the group. Laurie Fowler and Ray Biffin (brought out of retirement) held the backline together. Glenn Elliott, who moved from the Saints together with his brother Robert, starred. They carried the Dees to a stirring victory. Some red and blue spirit was restored. As we did, my late father and I ventured back to the Malvern Vale Hotel post game. I enjoyed my raspberry-soft-drink and I think Dad enjoyed a more few amber refreshments than usual. Melbourne 21.8.134 defeated Essendon 16.9.105 by 29 points. -
Amazing footballer. 36 games. 81 goals. So exciting. Jakovich Schwarz Farmer Davey Jurrah Blessed to have seen these blokes play. True excitement. Maybe we’ll add Kozzzzzy Pickett to the list one day.
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Yes agree. It’s definitely a good summary of where the club is at. It’s all the usual topics that us Demons fanatics talk about. Spoiler alert - forward conversions are poor (need to convert from inside 50s dominance) - defence suffers on transition from mid/forward line turnovers - injury free run needed, especially for Lever and May (they forgot to mention Jetta only played a handful of games in 2019) - Supporters hope and faith needs to be rewarded - Goodwin has a long term contract but if 2020 is poor like 2019, he’d be under pressure - youth to propel themselves up to A graders (Oliver, Petracca, Brayshaw) - Jack Viney could be placed for a year to showcase his awesome ability - recruitment of Langdon and Tomlinson is a big plus - Tom McDonald could rebound and be critical to kicking enough goals - big question marks over Sam Weideman (very important year) - Jackson and Pickett are super exciting young talent - Bailey Fritsch is developed into a very handy midsized forward and Dees need to get him signed up to prevent other clubs - Jones future as he is now not an automatic selection (could this be his last year?) I think they should have covered off the reliance on New Captain Max Gawn.
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Greatest wins (best 50 in the last 50 years)
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No.38 1983 Round 15 v Carlton at Princes Park I certainly remember this day, even though I was only 16 at the time. At Dees had recruited Moore and Templeton at the start of 1983. We had a promising 1982 (8th place) and we were hoping to climb further up the ladder and further test the top teams. We couldn’t seem to match them for four quarters. On this day, we headed to Carlton to play the reigning premiers (in fact Blues had won 3 premierships in 4 years 79,81&82). They were a powerhouse. After a tough close win over the bulldogs in round 14, we were without Robbie Flower and Peter Moore both injured. Our season was 6 wins 8 losses and we needed to beat a top 5 side. The Blues were in 6th place and we had only just lost to them earlier in the year. The first half was even but we were a goal up. Then we surged and despite some questionable Blues tactics, we shot clear by a few goals at 3/4 time. We continued in the last to win by 39 points. I was proud to be a Demons supporter. We had coped sh&$)t for years and now had a team that had some respect. The coaching return of Barassi was starting to show some dividends. We won after strong games from Alan Johnson (a fantastic recruit) Gerard Healy (an absolute star), Stephen Icke (who could play CHF or CHB) and Brian Wilson (an absolute engine in the centre). A young Glen McLean (a ruckman who was also agile around the ground) was having a great year and huge upside. Rodney Wright and Alan Jarrott has come from North as well and were steady and tough. Giles and Stephen Smith controlled the defence. Gilesy was one of my favourites. He was like Sean Wight. Always gave 100% to every contest. Kelvin Templeton at full forward was proving to be a very good addition if he could stay healthy. I do recall when he kicked a goal halfway through the last quarter to give us a 5 goal lead. I was thinking that’s truly money well spent. I think I might have screamed “Go Demons!!” loudly as well Melbourne 15.16.106 defeated Carlton 9.13.67 -
Mark Neeld's Spray on Morton.
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Neeld killed us. Sacked Green and installed Grimes and Trengove as a massive mistake. Youth went backwards. Morton gone. Scully jumped. Saw senior players leave including Rivers, Sylvia, Moloney and James McDonald. Brought in Clark and Dawes in massive $$$$ deals -
A huge thank you to Mrs Brayshaw from all Dees supporters.
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Greatest wins (best 50 in the last 50 years)
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No.39 2010 round 17 v Swans at MCG The Demons were still in a coma after two wooden spoons in 2008 and 2009. There was signs of improvement and a youth based recovery through loading up on top 20 draft picks and the momentum from senior players like James McDonald, Brad Green and Cameron Bruce. The year had started poorly then a few good wins led to hope including a win over the previously unbeaten Lions. But the highlight of the year was a round 17 clash with the Swans. They were in 4th place and firing but on this day, all the Demons fired. The Dees opened well and were attacking at all costs. An 8 goal opening quarter (to 2 goals) had the Swans panicked and by half time we were 50 points up (12.6 to 4.4) . As we were smiling and hoping, the third quarter saw another avalanche and we were up by 14 goals at 3/4 quarter time. We were pressing for the 100 point win but settled for 73 point victory as the heat subsided. The amazing indigenous skills of Jurrah, Davey, Wonaeamirri and Bennell were on show. Jamar controlled the ruck and showed his All Australian form. Brad Green kicked 5 goals and Sylvia, Bruce and Jones controlled the midfield. Watts, Morton and Scully showed us the bright future of the youth. Frawley and Rivers showed huge ability. All the signs were good. We celebrated and I remember thinking this side had the makings of finals potential. I think the Swans coach Paul Roos also actually saw the positives for the Dees. It was a shame that Neeld tore it apart. Melbourne 22.10.142 defeated Sydney 10.9.69 -
Dees vs Kangaroos 1991 Jakovich’s 11 Goals
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I was at this game and every Demon supporter was in exhilaration. Jakovich is the most exciting player that I have seen in the red and blue. He brought fans to the game. He excited young and old. My late father thought he was incredible. He’d jump up every time Jakovich got the ball. It was such a shame that his body (and perhaps his attitude) didn’t allow him to play more. He was a sensation. -
Greatest wins (best 50 in the last 50 years)
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Yes Windy Hill 1990 will be on the list. Vic park 1993?? -
Still Woewodin!!! I love it
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Greatest wins (best 50 in the last 50 years)
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No. 40 2017 Round 8 v Crows at Adelaide Oval I went across to see this game with a degree of hope but could not have expected the result. We’d just lost to the Hawks by 3 points to go 3-4 and so desperately wanted to make finals. Goodwin was coaching against his former team for the first time. Unfortunately a burst from the Crows put them up by about 5 goals about 15 minutes into the 2nd quarter. We looked benign. Suddenly a few goals awoke the contest and we went in 10 points down at the half. In the third quarter the Dees run exposed the Crows and we went on to win by 41 points. Bernie Vince celebrated his 200th game in another win over his former side. Jack Viney and Clayton Oliver were sensational. Mr.SpareParts Cameron Pedersen kicked 3 goals including the sealer in the last. Jonesy also kicked a beauty and celebrated. Amazing victory and it’s nice to get out of Adelaide alive. Admittedly most of the Crows fans left about halfway through the last. I picked up some nice bottles of red from Mclarenvale (D’arenberg) and returned to Vic with a smile. Melbourne 17.5.117 defeated Adelaide 9.12.66 -
Agree
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He was a sensation before his 3 knee reconstructions. One of the saddest curses to hit MFC. His eventual return and win in the 1999 B&F plus 2000 grand final was a testament to his determination and talent.