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The example was lifted from the article so not sure I have the answer. I'm guessing the $500,000 in the example wouldn't necessarily be in the first year but could be spread over several years.

An interesting article on this the-new-bargaining-tool-set-to-shape-trade-period. There has been 'salary dumps' as part of player trades and the where the receiving club gives a lower pick than the player would otherwise be worth. But it can go to a whole new level where a club pays for part of the salary for a player at another club. Described thus: "As an example, it could allow Essendon to use its salary cap room to pay $500,000 of Luke Parker's deal at Sydney in exchange for one of the Swans' first-round picks. It would alleviate any salary cap pressure faced at the Swans, make use of the Dons' money and also see them buy a pick". Sounds simple but it looks like a way for a club to exceed their TPP and would most likely favour the better clubs to keep help their best players and are in contention. So safeguards would need to be put in place. Nonetheless, food for thought.

Agreed. Do the deal and move on to the next is our mo. It could happen quickly after Jackson announces he wants to go if we are going to offer our 2023 first for Grundy. But if Grundy trade is dependent on the Jackson trade it may take a while as Freo need to get their trade package together which may depend on the deals for their 4 or 5 'wantaways'. They could make it easy and offer up their 2022 and 2023 first round picks plus Meek/player who it has been reported we are interested in. It is being reported Jackson's decision will come this week. But I suspect a Grundy decision will be after Coll season ends. Apparently Geelong are still in the hunt for Grundy but they are also chasing Bruhn and Henry so may not have the currency to do all three.

DL's must have forgotten the game is on! Are we playing our Home game at St Kilda's Home ground or just agreed to wear dark shorts?

GWS might do their pick 3 for 11 and 13 to get us Cadman. They will be drowning in first round (and later) picks after the Hopper, Taranto, Hill and Bruhn trades and not many noises of who they might get in to replace them. As it is they have 3, 21, 39 etc But if the club wants Grundy I can't see how we get a high enough pick for Cadman. Anyway will WCE take at pick 2 to replace Kennedy...

I desperately hope we don't give Coll a first, in fact I would prefer not to get him at all. But I fear that we will get him and give up a first or equivalent for him, not necessarily one of Freo's. Just don't see them accepting a second for him which will be in the 30's. Our future first might get it done which for a player around $700k looks about right. It depends on what other trades Coll want to do. Perhaps not as desperate for a first for Grundy now that Taranto and Hopper have nominated Richmond. The other trades mooted for them are Hill from GWS and Frampton from Port which won't be first rounders or anything like it.

I doubt they will get the dog's first pick for Lobb even if they throw in Logue. Freo will probably be bottom end of the 8 next year so their 2020 first will be in the 11-13 range so not a lot of diff with this year's dog's first. mfc is pragmatic and will to the deal that gets us the player's picks we want. If we want Meek we may give them a 3rd round pick back with the two firsts. Of course if we take Grundy, Pies will be pushing for one of those first round picks.

Yet he received 5 coaches votes in rnd 22 and 1 vote in rnd 23. He can't have been that bad! And in the last game, rnd 23 he kept Neale to a few cameo roles.

Swans to bring Pies down to earth! Cats to tame the Lions.

The only good part of us being out is that we deny Geelong gloating over a revenge PF mauling.

Couldn't stay away, eh. 🙃💕

We did a few years ago in PJ's days. That may change now that our membership is substantially higher. Geelong ask for the majority of their i/state games in the first half of the season which is why they always have so many games at GMHBA at the end. They back themselves in to have a tough stretch early, win their fair share and then 'rest up' at the pointy end. I think Richmond request something similar to Geelong so have lots of games at the G at the tail end, altho they play so many MCG tenants, often twice, it is hard for them to not have the vast majority of their games there.

Yes, a more balanced fixture would be good. Things working against it: In the past the club has requested lots of early games at the G to get fans to games and sell memberships early in the season which means travel gets pushed to the back half of the season. The AFL deliberately schedules the prior year's finalists against each other in the latter rounds of the season. Of course this doesn't allow for the rise of some (Freo, Pies) and the fall of others (Port, GWS, Eagles). Nonetheless, it wants 'blockbuster' games close to the finals. So sadly, I'm not sure we will get the balanced fixture.

I have wondered if our strong desire to 'defend our flag' overly dominated our mindset, even if unconciously. From the get go this year we 'defended' our lead in 4th quarters with Goodwin saying after the GCS game: we didn't need to score. Served us very well in the first 10 weeks. We tried to continue the defence of leads in the second half of the season but more often that not we failed. So we doubled down on defensive methods. Importantly, that strong desire to 'defend the flag' seemed to affect how we played in that we went from what won us the GF: attack with solid defence to a predominately defensive game. We tried several times to get back to our GF system but whenever in strife we went defensive until it all clicked again in the round 23 gabba game. Maybe we tried too hard to 'defend' our flag and we lost sight of what got us there: defend and attack.

Freo will have pick #13 in the draft which would have to be a starting point for any trade. With their future first at around the same level it is equivalent to Pick #3, altho as a rule I don't like using the draft points system to assess a trade; the arithmetic works but the odds of an elite player are much lower. But with a trade like that we can get two players for one or package the picks up and draft an elite player.

No mention of Meek as the other 'wantaway'?

Absolutely right. With < 2 minutes left and we had just goaled, within reach of a win no way he would want a stoppage. Ditto no way he would want to run down the clock and hold up play. The ump was a bit whistle happy there with the 50m.

The blue print for how we might play next year is the recent Gabba game vs the Lions which was similar to how we played last year's GF: win clearances, switch play from defence, quick overlap ball movement down the wings, deep and centered entries into fwd 50. Some of that was found out this year as teams targeted our defensive system and we went into our shells reverting to some bad habits. In a nutshell we have lost the balance between defence and the attack, we had when we played 'chaos' football a few years ago. We don't need to change a lot to find our best system and form again.

If I heard correctly, last night John Ralph said we have offered Hunt a contract.❤️

Thought I would do a 'What they are saying at Cockburn' piece for Jackson. From Bigfooty after Friday night's game The Doubters: **** I hope we win so we can delay the inevitable by a week. Oh dear. I was on the yay-train. Now I’m on the WTF-train. Lotta draft capital and lotta coin going out the door. Hope he’s worth it when he’s no longer 20 years old. Why does he have to double grab everything If we want someone to drop marks, lay tackles and almost get a clearance we've already got Logue for that. Yeah, there is some scary bust potential here… Please renege Please I beg you!!!!Fremantle don't do this I!!! The guy is not Pick 20 and 400k on present form. Need to keep much of the depth as possible. Not Lobb, Logue, Acres, Meek leaving and have what? Jackson and a few second rounders in? We go back to the start and have to regenerate. People aren't overreacting over one game, they're reacting over a very, very ordinary season with two pathetic finals performances It’ll be a ****ty look if 3 or 4 players go and Jackson comes in with a fat contract. He’s a basketball player trying to work out how to play AFL ffs He looked to have injured his PCL before the Port game. Usually it's a 12 to 16 week injury. Kept playing. Jackson is now worth a first and some change…can’t see West Coast splitting 2, especially given the Rioli trade will net them a second...just let it play out take it or leave it Some support: I just don’t understand that people are ok paying more than 500k to Logue who has reached his peak, but Jackson who has an massive upside is worth less than that? … He'll be coming to Freo and we'll wait until we receive actual figures and the deal before jumping at shadows, but I'm very much still in the grab this opportunity basket. People comparing meek to Jackson in terms of output can’t be serious, when meek was a 20 year old he was running round at Peel reserves and looked positively useless. I’m firmly in the bring jackson in camp. He will definitely improve dramatically as he gets to age 24, 25. Very few talls his age are the finished product. Actually none. Max Gawn didn’t play AFL till he was 23! I could see flashes of Jackson’s agility and ground level ball winning ability last night and it was very good. I think he will easily become an $800k player in time. We have to remember however that he was a Nab rising star winner last year and is a KPP. I think we would have come in with maybe $750k over 5 years. Here’s a question: Luke jackson for 7 years at $750k Tim Taranto for 7 years at $750k The fact that Jackson is already out on the paddock in a contenders side at his age is enough evidence alone that we’re dealing with a very special talent. Turns 21 later this month and has more development left in him than Serong (given his tougher position). You don’t look such gift horses in the mouth. My Favourites: Doesn’t matter what we think. Clearly you were born to inhabit chat sites. What I've really enjoyed this year is the almost complete lack of whipping boys. Sure, a few blokes have copped it here or there but in general, we don't have any spuds regularly getting games…Then we drop wages on Jackson that presumably make him our 2nd/3rd highest player and you can just see him slotting straight into that role. Can you become a whipping boy before you even put the jumper on? On the Freo board you can Geez, if we’re eating him and spitting him out now, can you imagine what the West will do to him if he unde rperforms?

Don't worry what others think, Lazyie. I thought it was funny🙃

sorry, can't do cryptic questions this morning... ...and that ONE sensible answer is...?

Wrong thread. Again!!

Wrong thread

Agreed we do get back into the first round but in the last few years our picks have been in the high teens which blow out furthre depending on F/S and Academy players so we miss out on the cream. Not that I think draft picks are the be all end all. Just that the odds of a very good player are much better higher up. Just not sure that high first round picks are the best value for giving up future picks.