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No inside knowledge but going by the training reports & his history it wouldn't surprise to see KK retire either pre or early season.

Tomlinson is not really proven as a winger either 'brfe'...he was the bits & pieces man at GWS. Hopefully being able to make a position his to settle into will give us what we need and help him realise his potential.

I would rate pre injury (concussion) KK as the much better player 'BBO'...

We have this kind of discussion every year coming into January. The reality is seen when we play games. I think the beauty of the list now is we have a bit more young talent coming through but like all lists there are some obvious candidates that could probably be moved on at the end of season... KK may not make it to the start of the season, Baker, the Wagners, AVB if he cops any more injury, Hannan the same..Brown probably has one season in him, particularly in Bradtke starts to show something. ...of course apart from the injuries the ball is in their court to show why they should be kept on. I'm not writing them off before the season starts but just giving examples of where delistings might be a little more obvious.

The classic 'GNF' move...

"Grassroots footy is where the game’s version of climate change is occurring. The game is shrinking at its base. Best thing I saw in footy this year? More African kids coming through. For the same reason, we need women’s footy to prosper." I only hope Gill & the Commission are not asleep at the wheel with this...unfortunately I think they may be. Or perhaps it's just self interest being put ahead of the game.

Seriously...you don't have to be nostradamus or an AFL legend to work out that we will recover.

My new favourite bass player...Kiyoshi

I think Dunkley will be purely back up (depth) but Rivers I can see pushing for a spot early. We need good distribution and run off HB and he gives us that. He's built for AFL footy.

It's a pretty sad list really, I guess an indication of where we've been as a club. Not wishing to denigrate any on the list for fine contributions in difficult times but in reality only Oliver and Gawn stack up as A graders.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all. It's the generally good natured banter on Demonland that helps get us through seasons like this. Nothing like a good argument or difference of opinion. Also nothing like some of the really informative stuff we get to share such as the training reports and well founded rumours (scoops). Thanks to the crew for making it all happen & thanks to the majority of posters for making it an enjoyable experience.

Worsfold steps down, first coach to go in 2020...

Good thinking...reply to what you perceive as an absurd comment with one even more absurd comment.

May & Oliver would walk into any of those teams. Max would 3 & fight it out with Grundy at Pies. An in form Tommy Mac at Geelong & Pies. Lever probably GWS & Pies, maybe Cats depending on how they set up...Tiges the only one he would miss. Trac with GWS & Cats...probably Tiges, Pies have others like but he would be an option there. After season 2020 will be a walk up anywhere. Harmes would get a look in somewhere in those teams...extra mid, tagger or hb I reckon Fritsch would get a game forward with the Cats. I expect Salem to consolidate & be on par with like players at teams you've mentioned. Langdon to step up as one of the best running wingmen in season 2020. A resurgent Bennell to walk in anywhere. Jackson as rising star, Rivers not far behind...all clubs envious. There you go, we're not so bad after all. Who knows...remember we were top 4 in 2018 so I wouldn't be marking the 2020 list on who made top 4 in 2019. Too much can & will change.

It's a great insight and I think the Rivers selection is just what we needed to round out this draft/trade period. He will come back to bite a few recruiting managers on the a.... in the near future. As Taylor said at the end he is an MCG player.

'@Webber'?

Nah...he was a great player, like him or not. All players lower their colours at some stage, the talk about him not being good in one on one contests is just talk. Like Scarlett & Fletcher they used him to zone off, doesn't make him any less effective. Some games he virtually won for the Tiges by being an impassable wall.

Surely OP isn't helped by playing on. Isn't that the point that many are making and haven't they been proved correct in their assumptions.

Hardly think the Lions own the air though 'Dee'... Particularly forward of centre where they rely a lot on Cameron.

The only thing I can possibly think is that there will be better opportunities with sponsorship & community funding if pokies are gone. I guess we wait & see but so far we don't appear to be beneficiaries & our altruistic move has been just that.

This year was a huge drop off. With a better list it's not unreasonable to think we should be able to jump back. I've been one of the biggest critics of our list but think it is now much better balanced. Not perfect but no list is.

The topic was core players in the 22 but most seem to breaking down best 22. To me our core players for 2020 are May, Gawn, Oliver & Tommy Mac. The engine room was ok in 2019 but the bookends let us down, if we get this right then the support cast will follow.

I expect us to finish top 4 in season 2020. injury being the only caveat... It will be a wasted season if we don't.

Will have a think about this when I get some time 'Fifty', I like the concept. Much harder than my initial thought...

Maybe not if Brisbane is included... The old Fitzroy team was pretty good before they hit the skids and had to fold.