Undeeterred

But is the only option if you want to at least try to keep possession, when there's nothing to kick to other than a sea of navy blue.

Haha probably.

Could well be the two hours in between the boys and 100 pints. Think after the deflation of this week we'll get walloped.

Tom McDonald - absolutely [censored] outstanding

Oooo that's a yucky one.

Maybe we told the boys to lose so we didn't lose our deposit on the Palladium for B&F night. LOL.

So have I. The main job of a leader is to lead. Jones had no influence on driving change on the ground yesterday, which is what I would expect from a captain. In terms of actual play, he turned his back on Hogan who was 20 metres on his own, then sprayed the shot on goal, at a crucial moment when we really needed one. He dragged a ball under himself 30m out from Carlton's goal at another crucial point which cost us another one, and was flat footed on multiple occasions. On the flip side, I can't recall much in the way of positive contribution other than fairly undamaging accumulation of possessions. He did stand in the hole once, and got kneed in the back. The peanut behind me had a crack at him for not buttering up and putting in a second effort, which was a bit unreasonable. I had a go at him about it, given Jones could hardly move after that contest, but he was generally poor all day.

Yes he was. Shall we go on?

Those leaders have nobody to learn from. Just like last time we brought in heaps of kids and had no leaders. And the time before that. Look at St Kilda. Their young kids are learning from Riewoldt, Montagna, Fisher. Ours are learning from Jones, Garland and Dunn. And Vince has not been 'poor'. He has been abysmal on a number of occasions. Abysmal. Today was no different. Playing on with no awareness 30 metres from their goal, kicking into the man in the mark when we have blokes open inside 50 etc etc. Masterstoke? I'm not sure. He had a good year last year, but I wouldn't go as far as that. And don't get me started on Jones. He was awful yesterday.

Lead a team that has lost it's way, for a start. He was awful yesterday.

Sure does smell like 1987. Like incompetence followed by heartbreak.

Only a couple of those pottings are Roos related. The absolutely single biggest problem we still have is a complete leadership vacuum. Jones goes missing and Vince is conspicuous by his complete and utter laziness and stupidity. We've cleaned out the rest of our oldest quartile on the list (AGAIN!) because they are a pack of useless peanuts who can't play football and the last thing we want is the youngsters learning from them on match day. Kick a torp, Lynden!!! Said no-one ever. This is a never ending cycle and is the reason why teams like Carlton, St Kilda and Port constantly fall quicker than us, then rise quicker again.

This is absolute gold. I've tried since I got home from the game to get the energy up to post something in this thread, but now I don't need to.

Or the coach

I certainly don't. About the game, let alone changes on the fringes.

Don't stress mate, nobody's worried about you being insensitive. We all just want to play finals and stuff the consequences.

When will this club stop thinking about next year, and start thinking about this year? This has been our problem for 10 years.

Did you consider that he might have been dropped for other reasons? Selfish and pulling out of contests? Complete nonsense.

I suppose it's a case of finding what you're good at, and getting paid as much as you can for it. Like the rest of us. It just wasn't something I'd ever considered footballers would think. But it's probably completely fair enough.

Amazing how quickly things have changed!!

Says who?

Took me 5 or 6 beers. Why are we both on here at 9.30 on a Saturday night anyway?

Are you serious? Sorry, were you watching? You're usually ok, but this is complete rot.

Yep, fair cop.

Oops.