Undeeterred

Is it yours? Why do you care???

We are going to take a pounding, and the players will be drunk by the time the bus gets back to Melbourne.

Which is exactly what the open letter said, just in a more extended, self-indulgent, and boring way.

Count how many were in the forward line - I'd say 5 at most. Happy to be corrected as I haven't watched the game again, but my general impression was Hogan spent a hell of a lot of time up on the wings.

Spare us.

Let it roll mate - especially when the response is such nonsense. Makes the day go by much faster.

Good luck picking that fight. If you can't see the difference between the two situations PD has commented on, you're in for a treat.

It's pretty clear in the article that they are taking the punt on this week being the last North game in Melbourne this year, so that people can come along. I agree it's bizarre at first glance, but makes sense if you think about it.

Leadership being punching people behind the play whenever you think you can get away with it? Much rather persevere with what we've got.

Makes much more sense! LOL. Well, clearly no I didn't. Thanks for enlightening me though.

Dane Rampe, Jeremy McGovern and Rory Laird would be pretty handy in our backline right now. And Ceglar is pretty handy

Started the third quarter coming off the back of the square too. He bolted in from the bounce and impacted the contest straight away. Maybe just getting himself into the game

Yes. Very.

Me too - he closed down a marking contest with someone like Casboult on the weekend, he came from miles back and spoiled a bloke a foot taller than him. Did the same to Peter Wright a few weeks ago. He's a genuine spoiling defender, as well as a running, goal kicking one. It's astonishing he's not more widely known, let alone praised.

Let it all out mate.

I'd say completely the opposite. Knew how to play, just so frigging lazy.

Don't distort my words. You asked me to provide examples. I did, off the top of my head. I could probably go and find footage of him making one metre handballs to blokes standing still as well. Why don't you show me some examples of positive contributions, beyond the one I've just spoken about? Of the examples you provided, he did in fact miss easy shots and committed turnovers. Yes, selection is not in his control, but if you think having the two unforced omissions in would have changed the way we approached that game, you're dreaming. What you'll find I have said in the post game thread is that we have a complete failure of leadership, generally, in this team. Jones is the captain - ergo, he must take at least some of the fall for this. He's not on his own. Our leadership group is constituted of Jones, Garland (who can't get a game), Vince (who I think we can all say makes more very silly mistakes than someone in his position should), Tom McDonald, Gawn and Viney (no complaints on the last three). The fact that half our LG is 24 or younger, and one of other three can't get a game ahead of a pack of 19 and 20 year olds, says more about the current state of the club than I need to.

But is the only option if you want to at least try to keep possession, when there's nothing to kick to other than a sea of navy blue.

Haha probably.

Could well be the two hours in between the boys and 100 pints. Think after the deflation of this week we'll get walloped.

Tom McDonald - absolutely [censored] outstanding

Oooo that's a yucky one.

Maybe we told the boys to lose so we didn't lose our deposit on the Palladium for B&F night. LOL.

So have I. The main job of a leader is to lead. Jones had no influence on driving change on the ground yesterday, which is what I would expect from a captain. In terms of actual play, he turned his back on Hogan who was 20 metres on his own, then sprayed the shot on goal, at a crucial moment when we really needed one. He dragged a ball under himself 30m out from Carlton's goal at another crucial point which cost us another one, and was flat footed on multiple occasions. On the flip side, I can't recall much in the way of positive contribution other than fairly undamaging accumulation of possessions. He did stand in the hole once, and got kneed in the back. The peanut behind me had a crack at him for not buttering up and putting in a second effort, which was a bit unreasonable. I had a go at him about it, given Jones could hardly move after that contest, but he was generally poor all day.

Yes he was. Shall we go on?