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He went best available. It didn't work in this case.

The 'good' and 'if' being the sticking points. I would be very happy with 40 -50 good games. I don't think he is likely to give us that many. I think we will get 15 -20 good games and about 5 - 10 below average to average games.

He will be 32 going into next season. 3 year contract is not a smart move. 2 years to get him across the line would be great.

I remember that night. I was working in a restaurant at the time and as I walked in everybody was talking about who would win. When asked, I said that Woewoden had played well all year and was a chance. I was laughed at by the whole group, but I used to watch a hell of a lot of footy back in those days and really did think he was a chance. He never played very well after that year so many people still think it was a fluke.

Very sad. I am so happy they had the courage to talk about it. I only heard this statistic a few months ago and was shocked in 2 ways. 1) that the rate was so high 2) that i didn't know this already. It must be a very hard thing to discuss personally but I am surprised that we as a community do not discuss it more openly. Is this something we just don't openly discuss or am I just living under a rock?

Personally I am hoping we get Xavier O'Halloran. Pick 22 in 2018 draft. Had good leadership in TAC. I remember on draft night a few of us were hoping he would be available for our pick at 27 (Sparrow), which is probably why I have always kept an eye on him. Played 2 games this year and didn't look amazing in those games but is only young and would slot into our next generation brigade well. Would play on our half forward flank and provide a bit of extra run in his first year playing anywhere between 8-15 games in his first year with us IMO. He is pretty much an above average foot soldier in most areas and would be plug and play after his first 2 years in development at GWS. I love the idea of slowly replacing Jones, VDB ANB and Hannan with some youthful running options who will push up the wings and this is what role i see for O'Halloran. I'm also hoping that Jordan did enough to get a contract extension and hope to see Sparrow, Jordan and O'Halloran get a good amount of games in 2021 as our next generation mids. .

I would think a future third round pick would probably be unders. Maybe try and offer Hannah and our third round pick for a future second round. Dogs could use the points this year and its a compromised draft. You would think next years draft will be deeper than normal with covid affecting this one.

We traded them the pick they used to pick up Broomehead i believe. Think it was part of the Chris Dawes trade?

I am with you here Sue. Another one that really gets to me is the 'Underground handball' Underground. Ffs. The ball has gone under the ground, created a tunnel and popped back up to a player.

I like him he would have been amazing as a free agent. He has produced highly and consistently for many years and his tackles regularly. It's not a problem at all. Moot point. He was never coming to us.

I dont think early second... But I don't think a third round pick gets it done, especially this year. You and I had this exact same discussion last year actually. I think in hindsight GWS should have gone after him last year and offered their 2020 second round pick.

A frustrating player. Goes missing frequently. Doesn't push into up the wing enough like Kent could. When he gets the ball he usually looks great but the problem is that he doesn't get it enough. Have watched him at live games working really hard to create chances for himself. He is sort of a combination of Fritsch, Spargo and Melksham and I can't see a spot for him in the best 22. Do we hold onto him for depth when we have so many other similar players? I would prefer to bring someone who can push into the midfield for extra run.

Is there speculation we are into Smith? I'm really not a fan of being the retirement home for old players unless we pick them up for virtually nothing. Smith would be a short term fix.

I've mentioned it before in this thread. I would love Xavier O'Halloran from GWS. We might need to throw in a small sweetener to get it over the line. Otherwise, I think the club should be looking at future picks and continue avoiding this draft.

I highly recommend everyone listens to this. The whole thing was great but if you are pressed for time the Demon content is from 33-53 mins. But you really should listen to the whole thing No amazing headlines to report that haven't already been reported in the past but a great insight into what happened during his tenure.

I wouldnt even define Harmes role in 2017 as a 'hard tag'. He was certainly playing as a defensive mid, but he would get enough of his own ball to hurt the opposition. It was a great role for him and often left the opposition 'star mid' looking foolish for not paying him enough respect.

Straight swap for Xavier O'Halloran please.

Was chilli boy also known as nudge a bit later? Or were they both just rumour posters. I can't remember if they were the same. They used to make it interesting. The Riddler was always a clear wannabe compared to these two. None of their mail was as good as the trade breaker himself though....

Essendon defenders do not give a flying [censored] about this game. Either that or they are all complete spuds. Fritsch and ANB doing as they please

Jetta is contracted for another year. You will need to "find a way to get him off the list too."

The trade eventually included Rivers. But we gave up our second round pick as part of the North trade. We could have used that pick on Rivers So it really is Pickett vs Serong. Rivers should not be included when evaluating the individual trade.

After Goodwins first year we changed the game plan to move the ball quicker by foot rather than with run. Seeing Jayden running with the ball went against the plan as much as we (the supporters) loved it. To make it worse he would often run himself into trouble or kick long with little accuracy. He fell out of favour and has looked like half the player he was. He could be delisted this year which is unbelievable considering how good he looked in 2017.

Bizarre that we were playing a crippled TMac for so long ahead of him. Truly some odd team selections this year

Did ok? He blatantly held him and was incredibly lucky that the umpires are complete spuds

Wow. Rivers as a late pick was a steal. Can't believe he hasn't played more this year