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So happy that we got him. But we paid way over. We should have got a 2nd rounder back if we were paying 2 firsts. The Treloar deal was the benchmark. Why we had to also give up a late pick is beyond me. If anything we should have got an extra late back as the minimum. We caved.

You have mucked up the link WJ. https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/10/06/2017-big-board-2-0-or-bolters-and-sliders-galore/

Really? Supposed to set the game alight? What rubbish. They were picked up because they were not getting a run at their current club and we thought we could get them cheap with the chance they might develop into something. Balic is the same. It doesnt mean the result will be.

You think so? They made the big dance without him. I doubt Gibbs would been a 40+ point difference in the granny.

Nice work western chicken!

Edit: nope not 100.

Never seen him play. Not sure if he has outside pace. Certain his injury problems are over. 99% certain he is ours. Gotta love this site at this time of year.

I could never support another team. I would have to change sports if I gave up AFL.

He showed enough in 2016 to keep in my opinion. The problem was that 2016 was suppose to be his building block for a break out season in 2017. No way would I offload him nothing. He is contracted for next year, i'm backing him in.

Jesus. Why on earth would we do that? I know Dean hasn't had a great year, but surely you would rather give him a shot of rebounding next year compared to selling him off at a completely discounted rate. Do you think the club has give up on him?

Agreed. If we drafted a player who is as good as Lever is with Pick 10 this year or next years first rounder then we would be over the moon. Its more than likely that one pick would be a bust. Lever is worth 2 first rounders with a second rounder back to us, or our first and second round pick with nothing in return. I have already posted earlier in this thread the history of pick 10. To be safe, lets imagine that we finish 7th next year (I'm predicting higher) and get pick 12 as a result. Below is a list of players drafted at pick 10 one year, pick 12 the next. As you will notice, its highly unlikely you will get a good player with both. Think I have cherry picked? Try it with pick 13, 14 or 15, the results are nearly the same. Jordan McMahon (WB), Brent Reilly (Ade) Sam Power (WB), Jay Schulz (Rich) Jason Laycock (Ess), Ryan Murphy (Fre) Ryley Dunn (Fre), Danny Meyer (Rich) Chris Egan (Col), Nathan Jones (Mel) Marcus Drum (Fre), James Frawley (Mel) Nathan Brown (Col), Cyril Rioli (Haw) Patrick Dangerfield (Ade), Lewis Johnston (Syd) Phil Davis (Ade), Kane Lucas (Car) Jake Melksham (Ess), Lucas Cook (Mel) Daniel Gorringe (GC), Sam Docherty (Bris) Toby Greene (GWS), Kristian Jaksch (GWS) Joe Daniher (Ess F/S), Ben Lennon (Rich) Nathan Freeman (Col), Corey Ellis (Rich) Nakia Cockatoo (Gee), Charlie Curnow (Car) Harry McKay (Car), Jy Simpkin (NM) Jack Bowes (GC), Thomas Gorter (WC)

They changed the rules recently didn't they? If we were only paying 97.5% this year we can pay 102.5% next year. Something like that anyway. But yes. I concur. I hope we have been front loading the crap out of our contracts.

How would it be ironic?

It always was.

That's where we differ then. I don't think he is just a solid defender. If we went to the draft and took a guy as good as Lever with pick 10 then you would be over the moon. Well... I would be. That's why I think it will cost more than pick 10. History of Pick 10 2000 - Jordan McMahon, Western Bulldogs. 2001 - Sam Power, Western Bulldogs. 2002 - Jason Laycock, Essendon. 2003 - Ryley Dunn ,Fremantle. 2004 - Chris Egan, Collingwood. 2005 - Marcus Drum, Fremantle. 2006 - Nathan Brown, Collingwood. 2007 - Patrick Dangerfield, Adelaide. 2008 - Phil Davis, Adelaide. 2009 - Jake Melksham, Essendon. 2010 - Daniel Gorringe, Gold Coast. 2011 - Toby Greene, GWS. 2012 - Joe Daniher, Essendon. (Father Son) 2013 - Nathan Freeman, Collingwood. 2014 - Nakia Cockatoo, Geelong. 2015 - Harry McKay, Carlton. 2016 - Jack Bowes, Gold Coast. 4 players from 16 years that I would be happy with. 1 of them was a father son.

Pick 10 won't be enough. Dreaming if you think it will be.

There were rumours after the draft that pies were into him. Either last year or this year there was a feature article on him and it confirmed it. It didnt say when the pies were going to take him.

Pies where into him.

Yes. If a trade breaks down, the player has a few options. (With examples) 1. National Draft. (Luke Ball to Collingwood) 2. Pre Season Draft. (Nick Stevens to Carlton) 3. Sign with current club. (Dustin Martin potential move to GWS) 4. Delisted / Retire. Mal Michael retired and was then drafted in the preseason draft by Essendon. This resulted in Brisbane being shafted without any compensation. Pretty sure the delisted free agency rules were written with this in mind and the player cannot be signed as a free agent if there was a contract offered by the current club. Happy to be proven wrong on the last point.

Jones, Vince, Lewis, Garlett, Melkshem and Hibberd have all played in at least 1 final.

Oliver vs Judd at same age. http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=12&pid1=4166&fid1=O&playerStatus2=I&tid2=4&pid2=109&fid2=O&type=A

Oliver vs Selwood at the same age. http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=12&pid1=4166&fid1=O&playerStatus2=A&tid2=10&pid2=1725&fid2=O&type=A Oliver beats him apart from frees received ?

Also from SEN. Lever linked to Pies. https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/02/pies-defensive-prayers-to-be-answered/

I feel like this should carry some weight, but I can't remember a time that Barrett was ever correct about these sort of things.

Were you talking to me? I can't work out who you are responding to.