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A couple of points. I didn't mention a social club. I said a bar owned by the mfc. In use all the time. Did you ever go to the old Hilton pub (directly opposite jolimont)? Game days it was packed to the rafters before and after demons games. Just as the cricketers arms is on any game day. A decent bar one train station to the city would always do well, particularly in a a practically dry area. Secondly, a purpose built space would include all the bells and whistles and we would make income from the office space. And one oval is enough. As the tigers, pies etch have shown. I'll bet players don't want to drive to outer woop woop eirher.

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Why? Because yarra park is a brilliant idea. One oval is fine for Pete's sake (no issue for th Magpies it would seem) and having our gym, medical stuff, recovery, footy department and admin all in one place will be awesome. Not to mention a space for fans and members. A MFC owned bar above jolimont station would make a fortune - and not just from dees fans. It would be packed every time there was any event at the G. A natural meting place. We would also have a place for the demon shop. The Hawks are going to Dingley, which is not all that far from their current base and there is much to play out in terms of the viability of the project. The Bombers facility might be great but it is miles from anywhere and has costed an arm and a leg. it also does nothing in terms of a base for their fans. I got the election call right OD and i reckon i'll be right on Yarra park.It. Will. happen.

So, what you are saying is the Weed will never make it?

A good comparison. Weed will be bigger but like Kennedy he has got long reach. As he gets stronger he, like Kennedy started doing in his mid 20s, will really start clunking his marks. Really it has never been harder for big forwards given the use of zones, mids pushing back hard and out numbers down back. So many marking contest are pack situations, which puts a premium of strength. But like West Coast do we will of course continue to try and transition the ball quickly and provide Tmac and Weed as many one out opportunities as possible. One on one Weed will be as hard, maybe harder, to beat than TMac, with his height, strength and reach. Good times.

I agree PD. He has all the tools - good hands, excellent kicking technique, good marking technique, for a big fella terrific below the needs and quick hands. He is q natural footballer. Also a smart fella who is a learner. I was really impressed with his ability to develop his ruck skills last season. By the end if the year he looked a natural. But what excites me most is I think that he has got scope to get a lot better as he gets bigger. Great to hear he has been hitting the weights and I suspect he will get a bit taller and broader in the next 1-2 years. He will be a really scary threat for opposition defenders. In some ways weeds development trajectory is old school in terms of how, with lists of 50 odd players, bugs used to be given time to find their feet before being rushed into the seniors. Well managed by the dees and the timing of Hogan's departure is perfect in terms of where weed is at developmentally. Unleash the weed.

Our tall forward situation is fine. Maxy will push forward more often next year and with trac, hannan and Melky we have a number of good mid sized marking options. Even with preuss the ruck position worries me much, much more. But just as you cant carry 'spare' gun forwards on a list you cant take list spots for a rockman likely to spend rhe whole year in the maggos. I'm not sure where I stand on the idea of a mid season draft but being able to bring in say a rockman I'd needed has some logic given the list restrictions.

Some good points. Agree about backline being a tough gig. Mistakes are magnified and as you say all defenders make errors. Will be a mighty tough backline to get in and harder still to stay in. Frosty will give it a good crack. All power to him

Don't get me wrong, i have a lot of time for Frosty, love his energy, seems a super hard worker and he was terrific for much of the the last third of the season. But there is a reason he took me to break into the back line this year. His disposal is an obvious one (which he improved) but i think the issue that he was likely advised he needed to address was his defensive positioning and reading of the flight of the ball. He did improve in that regard and year he played well against the Cats. But you might also look at the hawk's game where he made a couple of costly defensive blunders, the most obvious was misjudging the ball and allowing Gunston to take an uncontested mark. As i have posted previously the problem for frosty is he is not competing against Omac. He is competing against Lever, Hibberd, Hunt, Smith and to a lesser extent May. If he gets a game he will have well and truly earned it.

He won't get a game in our back half. Disagree he doesn't have footy smarts. Reads it well. I'd the fe didn't think he was up to it they would have traded him.

Great stuff. Exactly the message a coach needs to give - assuming it is sincere. The wing should be what he is aiming for. Perfect for him and there is a real opportunity as we lack outside speed. He needs to improve his kicking. That's a given - and no doubt he is working on it. But on the wing his average kicking would be less exposed as turnovers don't hurt quite as bad (but none the less are still costly). If he could work on his penetration on the run, kick it low and hard not helicopter it he could be a weapon.

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It's unbelievable. Based on those highlights there is no doubt all of our new players are guns. Taylor is a genius. Who needs first round draft picks!

This is from AFL draft central write up on Sparrow posted above: 'He has clear deficiencies in the game with regards to his disposal by foot and decision making, which is what has him slipping in the draft to a late draft selection or rookie selection.' I have to say i got their selection focus completely wrong. I was sure they would have an emphasis on skill and outside players. I mean how many hard ball , contested beast with iffy disposal skills do we need? I'm not knocking the decsion - i have complete faith in our footy club ATM, which is great. Maybe we will have a Spargo and a Sparrow crumbing in our forward line in the not too distant future.

High noon

Wrong on 2 of 3 counts OD (pardon the pun). Well more accurate to say wrong on the second and i disagree with the first I think the project will happen. Labor will win this election easily and will not have to rely on the Greens to form government. Odds are not everything - and really they simply reflect polling - but currently labor are 1.14 to win the election. That is seriously short. Shorter than Winx. For context they were 1.70 two weeks ago, and 1.20 yesterday. But the more interesting market is for the likelihood of a majority government being formed. Two weeks ago it was basically even money. it is now 1.40. This is a refection of the fact The Greens have had a horror two weeks. Could not have been worse for them. And for those dismissing the odds as meaningless, i'd say two things. Seriously big money is now bet on elections. And there is very little emotion involved. Secondly whilst polling has been been sketchy in recent times i think that might be a blip and are likely to be pretty accurate this year - particularly with so many votes having already been cast.

I don't understand why posters are suggesting the proposal is dead and buried simply because labor have said they won't 'support' the proposal. This statement is meaningless. A clever clogs way of not risking any votes in marginal electorates. Firstly, i might be wrong, but it is my understanding the CoM has planning authority for yarra park, not the State government. I assume the state gov could somehow take control in the way they have with fishermen's bend but why would they? Secondly, and of most significance, positions change and if lying is the first language of footy, well then it is the only language of politics. I mean please would anyone seriously be surprised if a government (of any persuasion) made such statement and then did the opposite, particularly a wishy washy statement statement such as 'not support' (as opposed to a more definitive - 'we will ensure it does no proceed' - which would still not rule out a change of heart). There are any number of examples, but a topical one is the safe injecting rooms in Richmond. Labor unequivocally opposed them prior to the last election and hey presto 3 years later opens one and starts building a proper facility. Thankfully i might add. And by the by what a peanut Guy is for saying he will close it in his first week if elected - despite its evident success in reducing fatal and non fatal overdoses and demand on paramedics and ambos. What sort of policy decision is that? Peanut

My understating it can be chromecast and apple played (is that a thing) and there is no contract. Similar to Netflix and Spotify. Whose model no doubt depends on people simply not ever bothering to stop it. it is tempting for the footy i have to say, in so far as i usually go to the pub to watch interstate games that are not on free to air and if you add together pub priced drinks, the occasional bet on the pub tab and perhaps a meal, i'm not getting much change from $70.

Lucky O-ring

excellent show fellas. Terrific interview with Josh with some really good questions and thoughtful respones and i enjoyed It's Time's contribution. He's an impressive fella, JM - we're lucky to have him. I liked the neat way he sidestepped the question from Grapeviney asking if he had his hat in the ring for the CEO gig. One question came to mind during the interview. i would be interested in knowing what the sense the club (and by the club i don't mean players) has of Demonland (and Bigfooty - to a lesser extent), in so far as they have ready access to the sort of feedback and opinion of hardcore fans that most business would kill for - and often pay for in terms of expensive focus groups and consultation processes.

Forgot all about it! Good show?

I think the fact he finished 4th in the b&f indicates the coach thinks he is comfortably best 22, the assessment of some erstwhile do posters notwithstanding.

Agree Jr And on the flipside there is possible downsides to taking the captaincy off him eg sending a signal his career is coming to an end, annoying his senior (and no doubt loyal) colleagues etc

Indeed. Speaking of betting i backed Oliver to get get more votes than Maxy, thinking it was good value. I chose the wrong player. I could not believe Brayshaw polled more votes than Oliver. Crazy. I reckon the umps must hate Oliver. Perhaps a touch too lippy?

Even money to make top 4. This [censored] is getting real!