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Have i ever mentioned I don't think we are very good kicks of the football?

Yep. On himmelburg

Josh, AFL stats pro is an AFL owned product on AFL.com.au. It has all the stats for all the players an every game. i presume it is the software system the AFL use to generate all their stats on each game. You can have a squiz at it here In terms of stats it has similar functionality to footy wire (a brilliant site) in terms of being able to compare players - though stats pro only goes back to 2017 and footy wire goes way back. For stats i much prefer footy wire But what stats pro has that sets it apart is vision of every involvement (not possession, involvement so includes one per centers, tackles etc etc) - which i presume correlate to the stats AFL collect - of every player in every game going back of the start of the 2017 season At the risk of being nerdy fan boy I have to say it is utterly brilliant, if like me you are pedant, or if like me you also enjoy watching set ups, systems and/or just what individual players do in a game. As an example of how i use it, watching on TV i sometimes find it really hard to work out if a how a particular player played. Live it is much easier because you can see how hard they run and their positioning. Given stats pro uses the broadcast vision you can't really see that aspect so well but reviewing all their involvements gives a good sense of their impact. So looking at Locharts involvements shows that he has lot more impact than his stats suggest (though not his last game). Also if there is a debate about an incident or in the games of Omac and georgiades you can check all their involvements in the game. The video doesn't lie and helps to mitigate against confirmation bias - though in our post truth world people still manage to see what they want to see. So you can watch as often as you like georgiades taking his one contested mark and clearly see Omac is not on him, is in fact on Westhoff and flies for the mark with May, Gawn and Westhof. You can also see Salem allows georgiades a free run at the ball, not even attempting to block his run and Lever, who is at the base of the pack and is supposed to be the player who intercepts in that situation stays down and looks meekly up to watch the mark. I am amazed the AFL do not promote it at all as their website is completely rubbish in almost every other respect (use the full name of the venue not its initials for god's sake! - by the by GS is Giants stadium) Anyone can look at the stats but to look at the vision you have be an AFL Live Pass subscriber. There is info about that here, but in short you need to pay a subscription, which also gives you access to game replays and live streaming of games to your phone or tablet. But if you are a telstra customer, as i am for work, you get the AFL live pass for free. Which i reckon is good deal. Particularly given i don't pay the telstra bill. I wish you good forensicing.

Yes that's true. Good points. I do wonder though a will to win can be confused with how ferocious player is at the contest, even by recruiters and and that it means selections can be weighted to the bull at gate type, like Viney for example. On Viney, he certainly has a will to win and is fierce at the contest. unfortunately he lacks the skill set to help us win.

Hardly. That is what they hoped for, and what we might have thought we got. But there is a big enough body of evidence to say now Fritter is not an elite kick. Average but not elite. Just look at his turnovers and missed set shots this year for reference. Or did you mean fritter is also a party boy?

Me too jnr, and agree with his form thius year and that he plays selfish football. His body language was woeful in the first few games. 100% should have been dropped 3 weeks ago, for team culture reasons if nothing else. The problem of not having done so is that he has been better in the last 3 weeks - not great, but better. So dropping him now makes no sense and sends a weird message to the rest of the team (play average and you are on notice, address the issues, improve and we drop you). Just one more example the bizzaro approach to selection Goodwin has taken this year.

Think of the joy that awaits them.

Sums it up perfectly bbo. Just another normal game of footy for the MFC.

This is the number one issue i have with Goodwin's decision making this season. It just beggars belief to be honest and is a big factor in me beginning to question if he is up to the job. In any normal season the most successful teams are the ones who know their system inside out, every player knows their role, teammates trust each other to play their role, things look automatic etc etc. This is not a normal season. Call me crazy, but i would have thought in a season where so much is out of team's control and the routines elite athletes and teams swear by are all over the place that sticking to the systems and structures you have drilled into the team over years (and all preseason) would be even more important. It is the one thing they can actually have measure of control over. Look at the tigers last night. Their system just ground down the lions. Relentless. Predictable. Machine like. Goody has talked for three years about the Melbourne brand, that dees fans need know what to expect week in, week out. But we have no idea what to expect anymore because of his bizarre selections and chopping and changing structures. Just crazy. You only need to look at our forward line. Start the season with two forwards, restart the season with one, swap back to two and when it appears that is working try three (in a big game against the top of the ladder team)! And then one week later go back to two and tell a media conference that the one game three man forward line experiment is dead. I mean seriously WTF?

I have previously commented on this topic, at some length. Short version: Oscar was not on Georgeadis when he kicked his first goal (or his second, or his third or when he took his one contested mark for the game, or when he got 6 of his 11 possessions for the game). Personally i don't get why Goodwin would drop Omac. But he must have his reasons. Georgeadis won't be one of them. If it was a result of the Port game it may well have been the two howling errors made that Omac made where he didn't collect the ball near goal (the one that he left for fritter when he should have grabbed it and attacked, and another where he didn't get it over the point line). Neither cost a goal, but only because of good fortune (Hibberd diving to touch with the first one). It is also possible he is a bit gassed and they want to give him a spell and bring him back for the Roos. Goodwin did concede at his last presser, when asked about his comments (which now look stupid) that we would not rotate players in this block of games, that some players might in fact need a break. If they are giving him a freshen up (which we will know pretty soon, as the side for the roos game should come out Thursday night) then the logical move would be to play Tomlinson on Walker. Tomlinson is slower than Omac, but stronger. Walker is both slow and strong and will play deep. If they put Tomlinson him with an instruction to play man on man all match (as opposed to a ZONE defence) that wont throw the structure out (ie Tomo/Omac deep - Lever, May high). The only alternative is to play May on Tex but that is complete waste of May as tex aint no Charlie Dixon. If May goes with him one on one he is will barely get a possession (as was the case in the Port game) and we lose the value of him as an attacking player. In that scenario Tomlinson shuts down tex, leaving may and Lever to do their thing and be aggressive, intercept and launch attacks. We then drop Braywhaw or Jones, move Tomlinosn to the wing and Omac back to full back. But really, who knows with Goodwin. His selections have been mind melting this year.

Agree. Which is one reason why I'm not convinced Bartlett's comments were smart as they amplified this factor. Of course we would have still been under pressure, but Bartlett introduced the spectre of goody getting sacked. Which adds another volatile element to the mix. The bombers were arguably worse than us. And it is worth remembering that they are way less successful than us in the last 10 years. But copped little heat because the footy media love nothing more than coachs being under the pump and Bartlett served up goody. As you say any result the pressure needle remains the same whatever the result. And that pressure flows to the roos game.

Omac did not have a great game. But please can people stop with the rrubbish about Georgiades giving him a touch up. It is completely untrue. Not one of his goals were omacs fault. He wasn't even on him when they were they kicked As I have forensicalliy established. Two, maybe three were levers fault. Don't believe me? Go to AFL.com stats pro and look at the vision of georgiades involvement. It will take 2 minutes. Sheesh

By far the most likely scenario is he will torch us, be super quiet the following two games. Get dropped and play his next AFL game against us next year. And torch us.

....I will remind myself we all have our cross to bare and mine is the MFC

Lets say there is a good reason why they chose to drop Oscar (to be fair he was poor last week). The problem is you change backline at your peril. And of course we should win. Lets say we do. Is that proof the new system works against a side who has not won a game and just made 8 changes? And so do they keep their new back line for the game against the roos? And risk it being exposed by a half decent AFL team? Let's say it is. What do they then do against the pies? And goody predicted speed would dominate after the covid break. So picked a quick team. He was wrong. But incredibly football is getting quicker in the last couple of rounds and scores are creeping up. So he may be proved correct. And he then selects a deadly slow team, keeping his two slowest players, who are both completely out of form, and forced to play out of position - on the wing where there lack of pace is exposed. And picks Tomlinson who is also slow. Just bizarre.

The Oscar wars have recommenced! Just with the coach. Jones, Brayshaw and Tomlinson. Speed to burn

Listening to goody's presser I get the vibe he is taking the swing the axe approach. Im tipping a couple more outs and I reckon it will be Jones and......drum roll.....brayshaw

I wasn't being critical of roos (though to be honest i am not in the roos as savior camp - i'm not convinced he was all in). Agree on your second para, but still wonder if decision making on selection might sub consciously influenced by a close relationship with player. On the third para, not for the first time you are ahead of the pack and spot on the money. Let's get Balme (sorry Josh - you want to be CEO anyway)

Fact or opinion?

That may be true of Goody, ie more coaching per se than others. But if you listen to him he puts a huge emphasis on building relationships with 'his' players. Which is all well and good, but it takes a hell of a lot of time to first build, and then maintain relationships with more than 40 men. I remember a fascinating exchange of posts years ago involving Drunkn reflecting on his brother's experience at the dees. IIRC correctly he said Roos almost never spoke to Dec or any of other fringe players for that matter, and this was matter of some consternation to those players (and again my memory is a bit hazy but i think there was suggestion it was the cause of some division between the A team players, so to speak and those like Dec who struggled to break into the team) There was a fair bit of discussion about it, a theme of which being that if true it seemed a bit of a contradiction given Roos had a very strong emphasis on relationships with players. But perhaps he didn't have enough time to build relationship with the whole lists (particularly give all his other commitments)? Hearing goody speak he is 24/7 coach and i wonder if he tries to make sure he gets to every player regularly. I don't meant to sound flippant but maybe he'd be better spending some of that time on selection and game day tactics. You hear players from the cats and tigers talk super positively of Neil Balme, almost like a father figure. Maybe it would be better for someone in his role and with his high EQ and management skills to be the key relationship builder. Of course relationships are always gong to be important for a coach, but i do wonder if in some ways it might negatively impact their judgement - pretty hard for instance to drop a player, who should be dropped, if for example you know they are struggling with personal issues and don't won't to make things worse for them.

Don't google that at work. I'm sure there is some fetish group out there involving WD40

You might have thought that perhaps because a poster was stating that as fact earlier this season (the name escapes me but i don;t recall them posting for a bit) ie they got him to stack on the weight as they wanted him big to play the gorilla role and would be played deep forward out of the square. Which never happened (playing out of the square) - though given his lack of mobility that is the only spot i would have played him. Instead they played him up the ground, to the teams detriment. Crazy. In any case there is no way an AFL club would ask any player Tmac's size to get bigger and heavier given how important athleticism in footy these days. All the key forwards (eg hawkins) have gone the opposite direction

Makes an awful lot of sense. Top call. As you say the coaches role has become ridiculously broad (in the last 15 years or so i reckon). Spread too thin and too much responsibility for man management, so to speak. On game day a NBA coach has one, two max assistants. Too much going on for multiple voices. I reckon AFL is the same. Too many voices. Get a coach whose expertise is tactics, strategy and game day expertise. Get a gun GM who do all the man management required a list of 40 odd young men demands. I reckon it is no coincidence Geelong and Richmond's recent success coincides with Neil Balme being at those clubs and heading their football department.

Insert not sure if serious giph. For one thing he is not fit or mobile enough to play down back. And for another thing the last time his spot in the team was under an threat was when he was a defender. His kicking out of defence made Frost look like Jordon Lewis. Moving him forward was n act of desperation, which if it didn't work Tmac was gonski And even if fit and suddenly could hit target why on god's good earth would they have four bigs down back.

This. Something must be wrong with him i reckon. Must be carrying an injury still. In terms of condition he has never got close to his best since his foot issues. Funnily enough i thought he looked in better shape in the Suns game than he did after a three week block of uninterrupted training and not having to recover from games.