binman

If you want a coach you've got it If you need a coach you've got. It I won't hide it, I won't hide your coach away

Well, there is only one part that is possible to agree or disagree with: When you say the NSW government were "lucky" because of the geographical location of the outbreak, you are putting blinkers on. The NSW government take in the majority of overseas travellers in their quarantine for the rest of the country. Victoria take in a minor share and still keep going into lockdown. There is no luck about it. And obviously i disagree with this, given you are rebutting my argument. That said i do agree NSW have taken more than their fair share of the quarantine burden. To agree or disagree with rest of your post would confer some measure of credibility to comments that are simply ludicrous conspiracy wonk. I mean Harold Holt? In any case, let's agree to disagree on this topic Wrecker. Life's too short to get into back and forths where there is little chance of either of us being persuaded of the other position. Let's stick to the footy.

Would make a lot of sense. Get him cherry ripe for the business end of the season like barassi did with snake baker at the roos It would also have the added benefit of being able to say to weed, you will be played for the next block of games, relax and go for it.

Pure comedy gold. Please tell me this is satire.

No, that is not what I even remotely saying. Or suggesting. Or implying. I'm very confused how you could have possibly arrived at that conclusion.

The first lockdown in Melbourne was related to a pretty big stuff up in the hotels, but you are right the quarantine hotel programs around the country have been amazing in terms of the statistically very small numbers of cases that have escaped. Particularly given how ill suited the buildings are for the job. That said it is concerning there are no national standards yet and it seems insane how long it took governments to take aerosol transmission seriously. I should have been clearer. I meant the overall quarantine program strategy, which is the responsibility of the federal government, has been a joke, not the individual programs. Again it is related to choosing to go down the suppression/elimination road. Once the feds, with the full support of every state government (and the majority of Australians i suspect) decided elimination was the strategy then using hotel quarantine as the key plank of the quarantine strategy was clearly a bad decsion. The problem is, is hat as you say it is impossible for the hotels to be 100% full proof. The are not fit for purpose. Which would be fine if we had not decided on an suppression/elimination strategy. If we had decided on say a containment strategy (like the UK, the states and pretty much all of Europe) that focused on stopping the numbers overwhelming health systems, there would always be community transmission and cases circulating in the population. So the occasional leak from a hotel would be of little consequence. But in a zero covid environment where there are no cases and no community transmission even one case that escapes a hotel can have disastrous consequences. Pretty much every lockdown that ash occurred in Australia has been related to breaches from hotels. Think of the economic impact of even a 3 day lockdown, let alone a 2 week or six months one. Lockdowns have cost the Australian economy hundreds of billions of dollars. It was evident from the very beginning Howard Springs type facilities they have belatedly agreed to start building were what was required given the decision to go down the suppression/elimination road. Perhaps not as the only option, but certainly the major one. And the feds should have taken control of that process. Leaving aside the fact quarantine is their responsibility, they have access to crown land, army engineers and enough resources. If they had got on their bike in April last year, and ensured purpose built facilities were built in every state they would have been completed by end of 2021. And whilst there would likely to have still been some leakage, each lockdown prevented would pay for their construction 10 times over. We would also be in a much better position to bring Australians home and increase international travel. I have no doubt the decision to not did not take responsibility and leadership an implement an effective federal quarantine strategy was in large part driven by wanting to shift and risk and blame to the states.

The footy one. The one that says players have tbe right to bare arms. Hence, the unique sleeveless footy jumpers Australian rules footballers can wear

Fair suck of the sav. Yes he only had 4 disposals. But that is the only game he has played since he went out!

From Haight Asbury weren't they? They had a big hit in the sixties

Not really. Mitch is much more a like for like replacement for Tmac. Would slot into that mobile high forward, who gets up and down the ground, perfectly. In large part because that is exactly the role he plays!

Lockdowns are the only option at this point in time. But only because as you say the vaccination and quarantine programs have been a total joke. We wouldn't need to Lockdowns at all if they had got those two things right. And we could have enjoyed all the benefits of a covid free community without the risk of a lockdown. Every state in the country would have locked down faced with the scenario we faced. And likely one will have to by the end of winter.

Not wanting to single you out jaded, but is a widely held view that, in my opinion does not hold up to scrutiny. The Northern beaches stated with a single transmission and very soon the much vaunted NSW contract tracing team were not able to keep up and lockdown was called for only days after the first case. By the end of the outbreak 151 cases were linked to the cluster and the lockdown had lasted 3 weeks. This despite it being relatively small population, a population that does not move around greater Sydney much, minimal exposure sites and a contained location with natural boundaries. And that lockdown happened over the XMAS period so businesses were smashed and families separated. As anyone who knows that part of Sydney, the NSW government was extremely lucky the outbreak was in the Northern beaches, not say the west of Sydney (which is geographically very similar to Melbourne). Our equivalent might have been an out break on the Morning Peninsula, which could be isolated in a matter of hours if needed. Our current outbreak (which largely came from leak from a SA hotel) is almost exactly the same in number, yet we are out of lockdown in two weeks. And we have huge population, hundreds of exposure sites, a highly transient population in terms of movement around the city and basically no natural boundaries. Really, by any measure Victoria's contract tracing and related responses (eg exposure sites) has been extraordinary in this current outbreak. It is worth noting that we had the Black Rock cluster that was related the Northern beaches outbreak and we only had a brief lockdown. WA had a lockdown as did SA, after very low numbers. The one in WA cost the dockers and eagles millions. People made fun of the restrictions SA put on the pies and cats going into their state, were amazed at the hard lock down WA applied, shocked in the hard line Qld have taken this time to travel from Victoria etc et. That is all examples of very risk averse state governments The NZ government has had a couple of snap lockdowns after very low numbers And the bleating from the Liberal party in Victoria is completely hollow, becuase they would have made exactly the same decision to lockdown if in government. The problem is that as a country we have decided to implement an elimination strategy. Not a suppression strategy, an elimination strategy. I'm amazed Andrews and co have not pointed this out previously, but finally Sutton did so on Tuesday As Sutton said, we can't 'grumble along with one or two cases a day' and live the life we have been living (full pubs, everyone back in the office, 50k at the footy, packed trains. Because the numbers would eventually explode. As they have in Taiwan, a country that is also taking an elimination strategy. In that scenario eventually restrictions have to come into place that as Bing points out has been a feature of much of the world whilst we go about our covid free lives. There is not one example in the world of a country that has been able to effectively implement a suppression strategy. We have called our strategy suppression but that is bollocks. Arguably there is no such thing as it eventually gets away from health authorities. The only two real strategies are elimination or stem the tide/minimise the impact. Even if they are not pure lockdown like we had last year (which in an case lots of countries have had of course), if there are enough restrictions it doesn't look much different. We can't have our cake and eat it too. Enjoy the benefits of no covid in our community and put up with the risk of lockdowns. Or accept living with covid and risk not living covid free (eg masks everywhere, all the time, no live sport etc etc). We have collectively chosen the former. And so have to accept lockdown are likely to occur. Of course the big problem is that it is dead obvious that a key plank of the elimination strategy should have been a war time like focus on national vaccination program with a super ambitious goal to say to vaccinate 80% of the population by Easter, or 1 July 2021 or some such. Call a national holiday to celebrate, once achieved. Which of course would have been hard, but not having covid in the community and all the testing infrastructure in place gave us a huge opportunity other countries haven't. Yesterday Seattle became the first major city in America to fully vaccinate 70% of residents 12 and up against COVID-19. Fully vaccinate - so two shots for everyone over the age of 12. Seattle is not much smaller than Melbourne for Pete's sake! I'll save my anger for the federal government.

Ditto. Welcome weg. It's great that so many new posters are jumping on board the demonland express. Love it Ditto on harmes too. Has been fantastic since he came back in. And whilst he is a good option to tag an opposition gun mid he doesn't need to tag. Didn't really tag lag, well not hard anyway, week against one of the gun midfields. And I reckon goody sees him as a key player. A best 22 lock for the rest of the year.

I watched the second half yesterday and remembered Georges comments on the podcast about zorko's non effort. Woeful. Gifted the goal. Sure, it's the end of the game but he is the captain. Really bad look

It doesn't seem very long ago that footy commentators were wondering if tracc could be our de goey. Gone straight past him

That will change once our lockdown ends. But talk is we only be able to go 25km from our homes. Sydney being a fair bit further might put the kibosh on going up.

Needs a giant kossie head. With hair that gets bigger every week

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Loved this: the Dreamons its funny, becuase its true. At least in terms of dreaming of a flag. In the other sense - ie dream on buddy - it did make reflect for some reason that we have had such a great season thus far, and we are so evidently the real deal, that the dream could be a reality this year. And that lions win was actually really important in terms of the dream becoming a reality because it gave us an incredible three game break from the teams all on 32 points, in particular the cats third on the ladder and Lions fourth. If we lose that game, Lions are on 36 points and we are on 40 points and top 2 becomes a little les likely. And the risk of playing the Lions at the Gabba (or perhaps Port at Adelaide Oval) more likely. The Port game in round 17 will have a similar importance. And possibly the Cats in the last round. Top two finish means our first final at the G and the chance of not having to leave the state, even if we lose the qualifying final. A big advantage 2018 had a dream on buddy vibe - we got a on a roll at the back end and tried to surf the emotion to a flag. Different vibe this year. A professional, serious vibe about us. And we will be able to use that vibe and the experience of 2018 and the pain of the preliminary to fuel our finals campaign this year

Oh now I get it. We were behind because we were losing clearances. I get it now. Here I was, thinking we were losing because we were not applying anywhere near enough pressure or doing nearly enough defensive running and spread. Sully me to think the clearnce numbers was a symptom not a cause I wonder if we should ask the AFL to restropectively give us the four points in games in 2020 where we smashed teams in clearances. And lost. Coz, it's such an important stat. Better not actually. They might take 4 points away from us in all the games we have lost the clearance differential this year. And won. Just win a clearance!!!@@@@@

It's called foorball, not handball!!@@@

The 'we need to fix our clearnces' posts are pretty depressing. Remind me if going to tbe footy in tbe 90s and fans yelling 'just kick it!!!!!'

A free every day of the week bb text book blocking. Bizarre none of the commentators said so. In fact they praised hippwood

Which interview dazzler?

Every one of those 'examples' he clearly handballs. Fair dinkum he is a .... up ...... Can't believe they pay him to comment on football How about looking at how tbe dogs move the ball