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6 minutes ago, trout said:

We should be in front and should have had a lot more holding the man free kicks.

Gerard Healy just said after Fritsch goal that this is the best lineup of the Dees in 20 years and the sky is the limit for them.

I know- I couldn't believe it either.

8 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Lyon was at the helm during some pretty flaky stuff as well.
Also was the Mayor of Hollywood Boulevard.

Agreed, but at the end of Lyon's term , esp 96 and 97  when the team was problematic and dysfunctional at Board level, he barely played due to back injury. 11 games over 2 seasons and was completely ineffective on field .

I'm not sure about Hollywood Bvd., but I saw him walking like a 90 year old bent over in 1996 along Canterbury Road and thought he'd never play again. He did in '98 and we were just pipped IMO for the flag that year. 

17 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

 Neitz > Lyon.

If you can't see that I cannot help you.

I saw all of garry lyons career live and the numerous times he dragged the team over the line. 

Don't confuse great playing talent with leadership capability. They are different characteristics .  After Flower Lyon was the best talent i hsve seen at the dees btw imo.

2 hours ago, Pollyanna said:

You're kidding right?  David Neitz is #1 - club games record holder, club games as captain record holder, club goals record holder, member of the Hall of Fame, Coleman Medallist, Best and Fairest winner, 7 x leading goal-kicker, All-Australian.

 

I'm not kidding. Neita was a magnificent player but led the team through some of its flakiest periods when routinely we'd give 6 goal starts miss finals after a GF. 

I always bemoaned the lack of a follow me leader like flower or lyon over the years in games when it counted.

19 minutes ago, Pates said:

Bugger! Crap time for it to happen as well, credit to @goodwindees for the scoop! 

I think they will try to squeeze TMac into the team because of this, rotate Weid and Tom as FF/CHF. LJ can play as a bit of jack of all trades role, start him in the forward pocket, give him all ruck time when it’s not Stef Martin, possibly even play him as a midfielder. 

Really not ideal for AvB, bloke can’t take a trick. 

Jones and ANB probably in the mix as well. 

As the late john kennedy would say. Its only the head and he could still run and kick.

But good news its not his foot. Will be welcomed straight back.

2 hours ago, Pollyanna said:

We've had some very good captains over the years but this guy might just turn out to be the best I think.  Since he's taken the role his game has gone to a new level - he's leading by example as a true match-winner.  And I think he has a communication style that everyone can relate to.

I'm not sure about that. We have been flaky for a long time and I think that's due to limited on-field leadership partially.

Since say 1980 - Flower, Lyon and Viney(T) are the only ones I rated.

Gawn will join that list

Interestingly with this weeks votes, only one of the coaches rated Jack with votes, giving him three (possibly Goody), whilst the other didn't score him at all.

21 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I’m shirking selection this week. Who comes out for TMac is too hard a decision. It would be a very brave decision not to select him. I think he is going to be in.

Based on what?    Form or historical potential?

7 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Tmac is the new Hogan, we win games without him even though on paper and on past the team should be better with him in it.

I don't understand the enthusiasm for T Mac by some after seeing yesterday.

Its 2020 not September 2018. Tmacs a defender or possibly a huge runner on the wing but if we break up the young forward structure , and deny them valuable experience this year its a backward looking step. 

10 hours ago, Jaded said:

How can you drop Jackson after today? 

Correct.

Lets take the long term view.  On today's form no changes for the rest of the year,

Except for those on thin ice - Brayshaw and Melksham.

Yesterday we saw close to the new future . 

Tmac hasn't played well or clunked marks since the '18 finals, Jones is problematic (I'd rather persevere with Lockhart who has speed and skill - sure the odd mistake but he'll learn) .

Sparrow, Rivers etc will get their chances too.

All other changes for '2020 based only on injury and management. 

On 7/14/2020 at 12:31 PM, Nasher said:

This type of discrepancy would be because the opposing coach will be assessing on different criteria to the coach assessing his own players. The player's coach knows the role the player was supposed to play, how well the player performed it vs prescribed, and how that exact role impacted on the result of the game. The opposition coach doesn't know any of that and will just be determining how much hurt factor the player delivered. Of course, we still don't know which coach is which.

Well said.  IMO I suspect that Goodwin may well have given Jack 4 votes for his game winning inside efforts this week. And rated Christian but just not as much as the often unnoticed Viney never say die approach

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Not sure post game comments are a good guide to voting. 

Petracca may have butchered the ball but his impact on the game and the result was huge.  Glad to see he featured well in the votes as many on here didn't give him much credit for what he did do and focused on what he didn't do.

Either way the coaches gave Gawn and Petracca 5 each between them. Whoever gave Christian 5, the other gave him 2 which is strange. With max either best or second best on the ground behind Christian.  

2 hours ago, Tom Dyson said:

I said this in an earlier thread and I know we only have one real game to base his form on this year but I think the benefits of O'mac and Lever in the same team is undeniably true. 

So far people have said O'mac relies on Lever or Lever relies on O'mac but i think it's safe to say that they rely on each other to both perform well.

 

I attended the Demons vs Dogs or Saints match at Marvel in 2018 when Lever injured his knee.  Watching from close quarters I got the sense that Lever and O Mac communicated on field really well.  They were is constant dialogue, adjusting themselves for positioning etc.

Really small sample but it stood out for me that day. sadly Lever was off shortly after.

I have confidence with this set up now and will be interesting to watch this evolve hopefully.

5 hours ago, Kiss of Death said:

If that account is an incognito member or supporter

Racial vilification is a crime. Someone get of their [censored] and have the police and or Feds trace the origin via its Meta data to which they have access and publicise the moron on the front of the Herald Sun.

3 hours ago, 58er said:

We are wasting prob about $3/500,000 y Th his year with Richo Whose Saints game plan was hopeless also. 

But exactly what is richos role? I've never understood apart from an experienced mature sounding board for goodwin. Is it strategy???

1 minute ago, frankie_d said:

https://www.9now.com.au/footy-classified/2020/clip-ckce1kpwd00380hmq9dfeetd8

(no paywall, need to register)

- not technical 

- they are good kicks

- not getting the tempo right

- easy to fix

we play on ~50% of the time, the 4 top teams are about 20%. 

a good listen, and for mine, a bloody good job interview (I know there are ... ahem... mixed views  ... of Lyon here on DL)

I mentioned this on another thread earlier.  Agree 100% FD. Lyon said its a 30 second fix and my thought was why has the stats on I50's been going on for 2 years.?

23 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Question paraphrased: Can the issues be fixed and can they be fixed quickly?

Jennings answer: It's a 30 second fix. That's just pure strategy and match day coaching.

Pretty damning assessment of Goodwin right there!

Ross Lyon said as much too on Wednesdays Footy Classified.

Just now, ArtificialWisdom said:

Nor have i but i believe he is swinging an axe

Obvious . Thanks.  Much appreciated.

7 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

What does this mean????  I've never seen the movie

4 hours ago, chookrat said:

I reckon we are in good shape for a tilt at the flag this year and here are my reasons;

1. Eight matches into round 5 we are sitting at 1-3. Improve our composure in forward half and we are likely to find ourselves at 3-3 by the end of round 6.

2. Our list is fit, with no injuries to our best 33 players. The expected compressed fixture will work in our favour with ability to back up matches every 4-5 days through fitness and ability to rest and rotate players across all lines.

3. Our contest work is a real strength and much better than last season. Defensively we are holding up well and despite some poor discipline re being switched on we are keeping teams to a low score.

4. Our ball use can be addressed through our team playing together more, playing more than two matches in a row  tweaking game style and bringing in better ball users, e.g. Harley Bennell and Nathan Jones.

5. Goodwin's management style is very much process based, we saw this in 2018 where once we got going we were the most dominant team for decent parts of the season.

The next 4-5 weeks will tell us alot. I'm confident we can turn things around and be at 6-4 heading into the last 7 rounds.

I'll be re-reading this post at 8.30pm on Saturday.

It'll either be hilarious or a pile onto Chookrat( whom I admire greatly and more strength to you mate)

19 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I'm a Goodwin critic currently, but to be fair to him I'm sure he's showed exactly the same vision to the players every week. It's the implementation that's failing and that's where we as supporters don't know for sure where the problem is. It could be the players not listening, it could be the way the message is being put across from the coaches, it could be the onfield leadership etc etc.

One thing that IMO is on the coaches is that there seems to be not much consequence for the main culprits of the problem. We seem to drop and pick the same fringe group of players, putting the onus of change on them when it's some of our 'stars' that need the readjusting.

Your right lord nev e cept that lyons point ws you can't play manic football often and expect composure and good decision making in the forward entry approach. I think he felt the 2 issues may be incompatible. Goodwin showing the vision won't solve a problem necessarily if the manic approach inhibits others aspects.

This may belong in the "IS Goodwin the Right Guy"  thread but I don't think so.

Last Night's Footy Classified had Ross Lyon analyse what all supporters are screaming about and that is forward entries using the Richmond game vision.

It wasn't overly insightful or new,  but the way Lyon glaringly and simply explained the issues, and sounded optimistic and thought its all fixable, sounded like a pitch for me ( but not necessarily Ross's approach - he was simply providing analysis as is his media role) and left me wondering what the discussion is inside the FD for the past 2 years  even approached this issue in such a way.

Results suggest not

On 7/7/2020 at 10:14 AM, titan_uranus said:

I don't agree.

It's a shared responsibility.

Viney's been doing this for years. That wasn't a one-off. 

The onus is on players like Viney, who are our "core", to work on their failures.

It is also on the coaches to identify these failings and work with individual players, and the team as a whole, to stop them from occurring.

That's what I said.  Unless you don't agree that Dusty would have made the right call.

On 7/7/2020 at 6:07 PM, Axis of Bob said:

Reasons why this is a terrible story.

1: Kossie Pickett.

2: Heavily compromised 2020 draft.

3: Free second and third round picks.

4: Kossie Pickett.

Nice. Picked it .

18 hours ago, dee-eee said:

Hunt can trick the brain ( mine at least) .  All it takes is several ball-bouncing runs along the wing and one can go home thinking " this lad is a future star " . Next day , reading his full stats -  reality hits . The last two rounds he has had five and four disposals respectively .

I think sadly Jayden is the barometer of the team selection quality. A gifted athlete but cant hit a target. When he's in it sends a message in the wrong way.  I was at Adelaide Oval when he took that hit a few years ago and hope he will be OK long term.