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11 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Fantastic result for our #Bradbury2020 plan. If Saints lose to GWS after we beat them then we’ll take their spot.

Only if doggies lose 1.

54 minutes ago, pitmaster said:

Sadly would not be amazed if we lost both. Would be equally unsurprised if we sneaked two wins and finished ninth. Either way the last two weeks have been profoundly sobering, deflating, disappointing and much more.

Either of your scenarios will be goodwins worst career nightmare. 

And the Board's for the unbelievable ameuterish contract extension.

1 hour ago, Action Jackson said:

The answer is yes.

Win both games and Dogs drop one.

And/ or the saints lose both of theirs which is possible. But we need to beat gws

9 hours ago, RedFox said:

Hi Old Dee,

I can't work out how Carlton winning is favourable to Goodwin/MFC... elaborate?

I can't either. IMO the Blues are a poorish team as shown by their appalling 2nd half against the Pies. So they get up and beat the Swans in a huge comeback and just emphasise how winnable the Swans game should have been and exacerbates Goodwins inablility o get the team up for crunch games when they revert to type.

15 hours ago, qwerty7 said:

I also wouldn't dismiss the Hawks either... they are due for a win. Had a shocking loss to Adelaide, but nearly beat Saints, Essendon, and Port. Their last win was in Round 9 against Carlton. Could be another upset looming!

Agreed. The best coach of the last 20 years won't stand for it.

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

No idea and anything I come up is pure conjecture.  My conjecturing ranges from Bartlett realising he made a mistake with his last outburst to not taking too kindly to Goodwin saying the whole club (which he is President of) needs to be more ruthless.  Or anything in between.

I'm guessing Goodwin feels secure to go on as coach to say the whole club needs to be more ruthless otherwise he is setting himself up for the most ruthless thing the club could do:  sack him.

My version of ruthless would have been not offering Nathan Jones a new 1 year deal for the swan song. Goodwin is hypocritcial in this regard.

I suspect he has no answers and resorts to jargon because of this.

Successful clubs, sort of, in this predicament, kept the head coach and brought in quality assistants and support.

I defy anyone to make an argument that our forward and midfield coaches should be retained on 2 years of statistical disasters.

Pies brought in Caracella dn Longmuir for Buckley, Hardwick had chanegs likewise.

4 minutes ago, wizardinoz said:

Dogs still on the Box seat with 2 easy games to play.

Easy is how you would have described gws vs crows 2 hours ago.

 Our big hope is freo knocking off dogs. They have A graders and an impressive young coach in Longmuir 

5 minutes ago, DubDee said:

How Leon Cameron got a 2 year extension I'll never know.

He is driving the Ferrari like its a '96 Hyundai hatchback. Aside from last year, they have been poor given they have the most talent in the comp

Gws are gone. So where is their media pile on about softness , everything on the line failure etc. 

Won't happen. 

Dees knock them off next week will be part redemption for me.

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

I think next year we will have Rivers and Jackson on this list.  Don't forget we had a couple of years prior to last that we didn't have a first round pick.

We just don't have any team structures, our mids don't play for each other.  Still think we are a couple of mids and another tall forward away.  Shows the level of skill in our side, a 7 game first year player Rivers was chartered with our point kick ins.

I'm hoping jackson is the tall forward solution. I just don't see weideman making it sadly. Hope I'm wrong and 1 more preseason might see him improve strength wise.

Main recruit mandatory is a good forward coach that goodwin will support.

15 minutes ago, poita said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-22under22-squad-aflpa-40man-squad-best-young-players-gold-coast-suns-young-stars-who-made-it/news-story/3b403fdafbbc42d5648ae71c38bb5f7c

Hardly surprising given our woeful drafting and player management over the past four years, but Melbourne are one of only two teams without a player in the 40 man under 22 squad.

That is a massive hole to fill in 3-4 years time when players in this age group will be forming the nucleus of premiership sides. Thanks for nothing, Taylor and Mahoney.

Not 1 player named in AA Under 22 squad this morning.

4 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Brayshaw dropped that cold... called holding the man.  Brilliant.

First bit of good pressure for the night.

Do they have the wind?

13 hours ago, Rogue said:

The WB upset over Eagles is a blow.

Sure, but gee don't the Dogs deserve a place in the finals the way they played last night?

7 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

He handed Goodwin a finals ready list that Goodwin himself helped shape and get a head start with.

 4 years on and we still don't really know if Goodwin can coach. He still doesn't know how to get the players performing consistently either. It's not good.

 

This sounds silly commenting on an AA selected player but I think Goodwin has a lot to answer for in Clayton Oliver's development. He personally interviewed Clayton in his Mum's kitchen in the bush before drafting so has been a project player for Goodwin alone.

Clayton is terrific and you can't fault his desire and endeavour, but for his early years we were succummd by his stats and gave him a leave pass on all the handballs.

This year the opposiiton and media woke up about the ineffecitiveness of many disposals and somewhere a switch was flicked a few weeks ago and he ran harder and kicked the ball out of traffic. 

Why didn't Goodwin take control of this flaw very early in his career.

I ask this in the conext of LT above commenting on can Goodwin coach or not , I agree and this in my mind is a glaring example.

Don't get me started on the Inside 50 ratio/conversion disaster

11 hours ago, Hogan2014 said:

Hardwick somehow changed the culture at the tigers.. they lost the last game in 2016 by over 100 points. 

No he didn't. Thats becoming another urban myth.

It was changed by Peggy O'Neil and Brendan Gale. and they brought in Neil Balme and the Board remained stable. Brought in Caracella and had a top footiy manager in Dan Richardson

Hardwick showed he wasn't up to it and change had to come from elsewhere. He showed his true spots in recent events this year.

They had the talent and Hardwick needed to change.

10 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Agree.

He's done. He's been done for weeks but the two left foot kicks tonight were confirmation to anyone who needed it.

It's sad. He deserves to be applauded and remembered for the effort he put in over 15 years. But he shouldn't be playing and we need to make that call and move on.

For the past 2 weeks he's spent most or all of the last 1/4 on the bench. So th team has palyed with 3 rotations , assuming no injuries in the most important time of the match.

Again, not Nathans fault. 

12 hours ago, demon3165 said:

Smith is always the whipping boy but Viney and Jones get a pass because he is hard at it and gee we must get him to 300 well that will win us a flag.

Its not Nathan's fault here. The club should never have given him a new deal and wer'e reaping the outfall of that.

8 hours ago, rolling fog said:

MFC under Goodwin - unproven yet entitled.

Needs to hand back the keys to the ferrari (to borrow a phrase from Hutchy re: Leon Cameron).

8 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The scary thing about that game is that Essendon nearly won

I don't necessarily agree. They got close but lacked class and their system was rubbish c.f.the eagles who seemed to be on autopilot at times.

And no Kennedy and no Shuey.

14 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Adelaide Oval?

Traeger Park?

We struggled at Metricon vs the Dogs. Not sure of its dimensions but if it's wide, we probably won't want to play there if there are narrower grounds available.

This is a brilliant idea if crowds in Brisbane are limited. Good call TU. Low humidity and conditons if at night.

33 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It was touched over the line. 
The umpire was beautifully positioned to look at the entire incident 

They called it a goal

That is all

Laughingly this morning on SEN Kane Corness admitted the umpire was in a perfect psootion and then went on

                                        "...but from where I was sitting it looked touched to me..."

From his couch in his Adelaide loungeroom.

This has to win some sort of media quote award this year surely?

On 8/29/2020 at 10:59 PM, Old Bear said:

Since Bernie Massey

Tassie Johnson perhaps? 

1 hour ago, Garbo said:

Hurts us, basically guarantees pies a spot in the 8 if they win 1 more. One less spot up for grabs by those fighting to get in

Just to add Expect in 2 weeks, dees gws and saints will all be on 9 wins with only % separating us. With one sitting 9th

Dees will be well into the 8 in your scenario, as if all teams win the next two matches then % rankings should probably staty the same with GWS in 9th spot. A 10% gap can't be made up in low scoring and shorter games .  Apart from us, no 60 point blowouts to worry about.

Saints may well win but only a 2% gap between them and Dees which could be made up and put the saints lowre than us.

In additon, as a possible early Christmas bonus,  if the Lions beat the Pies next week, as I suspect, then Pies next have a bye and could drop out of thge 8 altogether by end of next two rounds.

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Hopefully Carlton can knock over GWS next week but I doubt it.

Dees will be well into the 8 in your scenario, as if all teams win the next two matches then % rankings should probably staty the same with GWS in 9th spot. A 10% gap can't be made up in low scoring and shorter games .  Apart from us, no 60 point blowouts to worry about.

Saints may well win but only a 2% gap between them and Dees which could be made up and put the saints lowre than us.

In additon, as a possible early Christmas bonus,  if the Lions beat the Pies next week, as I suspect, then Pies next have a bye and could drop out of thge 8 altogether by end of next two rounds.

1 hour ago, Tom Dyson said:

Does a Collingwood win help or hurt us, i know we should take our destiny into our own hands but in terms of the ladder, is this good for us?

 

 

 

IMO - it helps in that in now knocks Blues out of finals race, and Collingwood are still catchable by Dees . They were less than impressive today and they have a tough draw, one less game and I would rather meet them if we make finals than Blues.

One less contender. I think the Saints could also well be worried with their run home.

Dees have to win nevertheless. 

1 hour ago, A F said:

I watched the final two minutes again on the AFL website and I don't know what people are talking about on this. Didn't look 15m at all.

Same also. But in those last 2 minutes what I noticed was the unbelievebale effort of Jack Viney laying 3 tackles (2 on Jack Steele) and giving out a critical handball in traffic.  Not bad for 120 seconds of football.

Well done Jack