Demon17
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On 11/25/2020 at 7:14 PM, Wiseblood said:
I was going to say exactly the same thing.
I just want to see a solid game plan that stands up against the best in the competition. I believe we have the talent to do it, but the pressure is on Goody to get them going in the right direction.
If we miss the finals then I think the club has no choice but to pull the pin. It would mean we've played finals once during his coaching tenure and that's just unacceptable at this point. We aren't the basket case we were when Roos took over. He has the players at his disposal and has had plenty of time to mould the list to his liking.
Good call, And just as important is the off field support he's got over the journey.
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Getting in Steven May, probably Ben Brown, good recruiting (Luke Jackson and others), Darren Burgess. Adem Yze, Gawn as skipper, (I'm ambivalant on Richardson, but they went and got him in for a reason I presume, which escapes me up to now)
No excuses for a minimum 2 finals wins IMO.
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19 hours ago, Billy said:
You need to watch Clarry closer, he does so many great things already
He’s as good as any midfielder in the comp
Lets look at scoreboard pressure - a amjor sign of a great midfielder.
1 goal in every 3 games,
In comparison, Kevin Bartlett, 1.9 goals per game albeit he played later as a forward,
Gary Ablett Jnr. - 1.3 goals per game, accuracy
Even Craig Bradly - 2 gaols avey 3 games.
Oliver is top notch for endeavour and courage, and is a serious acumulatr and initiator of moves to the outside, but gee I wish he would hacve more impact that his numbers suggest he could.
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2 hours ago, 58er said:
But LT Clarry can go To another level to not just a Demonngreat but AFL hero by damaging the opposition by run snd foot carry plus kicking more goals when we rest him up forward in the future !
AGree that the damaging by foot is not his strength and his status until then will not be in the 'Great' category.
It reminds of a comment once by kevin Sheedy, when he said he didn't necessarily count all of Robert harvey's disposals as meaningful, and was happy that he got them where he did - in non- damaging areas of the field.
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On 11/13/2020 at 3:19 PM, old dee said:
D17 I don't think it has anything do with all that. IMO they needed to shed $2+ million and looked at where best that could be achieved. Treloar was the big one and when his wife moved north that thought great he will follow her, here is our big chance and it blew up in their faces when he said no quite happy here. The others were just easy pickings. It was only after the event that they started making up excuses.
Possibly. My point is teh club squibbed the resoning by rolling out a justifcation to them personally.
Just say "... Look wev'e overpaid you both and its stuffed up our salary cap modelling ..." Sorry.
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15 hours ago, rjay said:
Watched him being interviewed on Fox...he looked like a dead man walking.
Tipping he's next out the door at C/wood.
Was hung out to dry.
Will be scapegoated to protect the bigger egos.
Exactly RJay.
Their Board would have signed off on all the big contarcts - Treloer, Grundy etc.
But Buckley's laying the blame on the senior players re: Treloar and '.. Im just passing on the feedback..." type comments, along with ignoring Stephenson is a disgrace and will be an ongoing blight on his reputation. Leader? - you're joking.
Stephenson was likely troubled in his gambling year big time, media pile on etc, and then a maojr illness pre-season. What did they think was going to happen to the kid. He's only 21 for gawds sake.
Message: Don't own up to mental illness or fraility at the Pies - your on your own.
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5 hours ago, Gawndog98 said:
IMO one of Oliver/Brayshaw/Harmes/Viney/Petracca will have to spend the majority of their time in another position which Brayshaw and Harmes have tried and failed at. I think Viney has some really good attributes of a small forward, he's a relentless tackler and wins a lot of 1v1s, I think he'd be great at the feet of our tails. I just think out of our mids apart from Petracca he'd have the best potential to play well in a second position, would still get some midfield time, sort of like Kane Lambert. Apart from Kozzy I think Viney would be a better small forward than any other small forwards on our list, highly doubt it happens though knowing Goody, it's just what I reckon would be best for the team.
Good point on Viney. It would greatly improve defensve forward pressure with him in the vicinity.
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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:
2020 Final 8 @ Rnd 18:
- Port Adelaide
- Brisbane Lions
- Richmond
- Geelong Cats
- West Coast Eagles
- St Kilda
- Western Bulldogs
- Collingwood
History says one or two final 8 teams drop out the following year.
For us to make finals in 2021 which team(s) drop out?
imv the most likely are:
- Collingwood. They have been sliding for the last three years: 2nd, 4th, 6th. The loss of talent and treatment of players during the trade period will rock them a bit so can't see them in the 8.
- Bulldogs. I'm not as bullish (no pun intended) as many media scribes. From various accounts they have internal player/leadership issues. Treloar improves them but will they get the most from the star studded midfield when some are played in other positions? And while they will get JUH playing fwd they are still short of recognised tall fwds/goal kickers. Naughton is a bit hot and cold.
StKilda seem to really have their act together on and off the field so don't think they will slide out. Top 5 positions might move around but doubt any will slide out.
Other contenders are: GWS, Carlton, Freo. Anyone of them can have a spot after we make it
History actually says over the past 20 years its more lke 2.6 teams. Rounded up to 3.
I like your analysis, but I see the saints , albet the current media darlings, as the most vulnerable.
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1 hour ago, drdrake said:
The other side of this argument is the uncertainty that Brown will be able to get back to his best and our midfield can deliver the football to him. He isn't a contested big body Forward, he is a tall hit up forward that his performance will hinge on how we kick the ball to him.
Good call here. I have very little confidenece in the coaching panel to effectively deal with the ' see ball - kick ball' mentality of the midfield into the forward half for which I hold the panel esponsible.
During 2020 when the eyes were miraculously lowrered for a few weeks it all came together , but made a big impact in the media and on here because its such a rarity to see of this team.
It lasted maybe 3 weeks then back to old habits. Whcih midfield coach will fix - which forward coach will fix.
Adem Yze will be a hero if he can do something on this .
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1 minute ago, Nascent said:
I reckon you're overthinking it. Just because it sounds like an amazing deal doesn't mean its too good to be true. We've done our due diligence with a medical and are going in with eyes wide open. And if he doesn't work out, we won't have paid the earth for him in either trade currency or salary. Can't see the downside to be honest.
Fair point Nascent. I don't believe any 'inside info', just looking at the equation.
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On 11/7/2020 at 7:44 PM, Pickett2Jackson said:
Serious question - is the Victorian premier a Geelong supporter?
Bombers.
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16 hours ago, Nelo said:
Don’t know, but I do not know he’s a shocking premier.
He barracks for the Bombers
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On 11/7/2020 at 11:07 AM, Diamond_Jim said:
Decent question. Football is a business and Geelong gets a very good return on that stadium.
Sure there's community benefit but that pales by comparison to the business returns to Geelong.
Not necessarily.
Its an elitist stadium and most locals couldn't afford the members reserved seat prices even if they wanted to attend a match. Very little GA seating in comparison to the rest of the ground.
Community facilites in name only - try booking them. Tehy even objectd to Western melb Soccer using the ground when free last year.
Further, the amount of Capex into this ground is sucked away from other deserving and more global infrastructure, such as the arts precinct, galleries etc. The new Library was only just finished a few years ago after decades of waiting - but not Kardinia Park. They got it when they neeeded it.
And most games are never fully booked, looking at the records for 2019. So where is the demand.?
Drop prices so more people could attend - you must be joking.
Business benefits - locals will tell you its only the restaurants etc on a home game day after a win that benefit, but even now, most games are at night anyway.
Don't get me started on this rort.
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On 11/3/2020 at 6:22 PM, Rogue said:
I can't see why people are ruling out Stafford as forwards coach just because he wasn't a forward. Coaching is about teaching, not about whether you are or were great at a particular thing yourself - and it's not like he has no elite footy background, if that's important to you; 204 games and 141 goals.
Given he's been at the Club in ruck and goal-kicking roles for quite a while, we should have a very good idea of what he's like as a coach.
Exactly. And bear in mind Stafford did play as a forward for a few early years and his accuracy record histrorically in those years was up with Dunstall and the very best.
He knows how to kick, but can he instruct smaller players who likely have varying actions?
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On 10/28/2020 at 4:45 PM, george_on_the_outer said:
Yes....this is what Club culture is all about. He will get games if he is good enough, if not we haven't shoved a leader out the door like we did with Junior.
Bad call by both Nathan and the Club. So we are paying for the stupid decsion regarding James McDonald a decade ago.
Best games this year were against the Crows and Pies. Both basket cases of teams at that time.
But then if someone offered me 250K a year to run around in the secounds I'd take it.
But gee, life moves on and so should Nathan.
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On 10/25/2020 at 10:12 AM, rjay said:
As for Danger...the danger signs for him were there in the Prelim.
That fake stony faced look after the game instead of joining in the joy of winning, of getting through to the GF.
The all about me moment...
It was nearly like the classic Crow's fake power stance.
...and he got the same result.
He played as if it was all about him.
There was no team in Dangerfield.
I was confused at the time also. The tiges conversely against the power celebrated big time as teams making the gf should. It doesn't impact their performance the following week necessarily. Just demonstrates how much the penultimate success means.
I suspect you may be right. Maybe danger over-thought the issue. The cats would have taken any other team probably.
Not on Dusty's watch though.
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34 minutes ago, Demonland said:
Feel free not to click on the link to this thread. That is your freedom of choice.
I thought you'd say that. There's lots of interesting and insighful commentary on the site.
Your's isn't one of them.
I'm surpised and dissappointed.
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2 hours ago, Better days ahead said:
They nicknamed a black man “chimp”. He has witnesses to corroborate this. Collingwood and AFL have handled this terribly and will be shown up badly. It’s another reason why I dislike the suits that run the game. They proclaim how woke and right-on they are but as soon as the rubber hits the road it’s a different story.
There’s no doubt Lumumba is a temperamental character but he’s dead right here. I’m forward to seeing Collingwood and the AFL squirm.
Well said. And as an aside to your comment, Just because he's tempermental ( which he may or may not be ) doesn't deny him his human rights to call out racism.
The Pies culture has plenty of form from the top on this issue.
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12 minutes ago, Demon3 said:
Its all just absolute nonsense.. this would have to be the poster child for nonsense trade talk that snowballs into mass hysteria. Oliver is not going anywhere, does not want to leave, club would not entertain the idea of trading him.
Oliver was grumpy towards the end of the year and a bit frustrated, he is driven and to be fair is probably on the selfish side, BnF results, All Aus, Brownlow any accolades are important to him, some people value that, others dont.
Mclure started this with a flippant, inaccurate comment about him being unhappy at the club and put little context around it.. its since spread and now the most over rated germalist in Barrett is fueling the fire with a ridiculous comment in his grade 3 level article on the AFL site today.
Saying Carlton want Oliver is like saying Melbourne want Martin.. of course they want him, and they would have asked the question.
Oliver will be red and blue in 2021 and i believe beyond.
Below is the Barrett article on AFL News today. If this isn't click bait I don't know what is and the thread should be shut down. I have boldened the type on the words "...May...", not Barrett
"...IF ...
there's a player the Blues may still want to add to their list alongside the soon-to-be official acquisitions of Williams and Saad ... THEN ...
it may be the contracted Demon Clayton Oliver..."
It may also be Fyffe, or Treloar, or Pendlebury, or Martin, or , Dangerfield, ... or,.... or.....................
Barret no doubt has a KPI for bonus or salary on Views per Article, and possibly, number of times he is re-quoted, like I am doing. He's a hack and this is a brillaint piece of tabloid journalism gaming the process.
Again - close this thread and lets not hear any more about it. Hutchy would be so proud of him.
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9 hours ago, 58er said:
I think we should get Michael Voss in as our midfield coach If he is available. Surely he could lift our mids a level or two.
Tracs improvement may well be the benchmark for players to aim but that is more on an individual level.
Voss would bring a new dynamic to the group which would be a great result IMO.
I like your thinking. Like many youngish coaches he will be better second time around and learnt development under Lethal.
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On 10/13/2020 at 11:32 PM, Pates said:
That's a great little off-season win if true, he's done a good job with what he had over one season so hopefully two seasons gives him a chance to really hone the attitudes and fitness of the playing group.
A credit to Burgess is my take. he could have easily walked away and under all the current circumstances few would blame him.
That he remains, hopefully, to honour his contract is a class act.
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On 10/13/2020 at 6:40 PM, picket fence said:
Clarry Choo Choo would do well to aspire to the Lofty standards of a Dangerfield!! Sadly, unless Miracles occur, I cannot see it under Goodwins Regime!!
Without a Brendan Mccartney-type proven developer of talent in the club I fear for the next crop also coming in like Jackson, Sparrow and Rivers. We had an alledgedly A-Grade list in 2017 onwards and I don't want any further waste from here.
THE PECKING ORDER
in Melbourne Demons
Thanks Werridee. Very interesting and a great thought - starter.
Just could you clarify is someone's position on the list is due to their importance to the team if they played their role correctly, or is it becuase of their talent, latent or otherwise.
for example, I don't think Viney is near No. 2 but you might think if he played to his ability and in his best role, he is the number 2 in team value? Thus why is Lever higher than MAy - because of his intercept acpability which you value more highly than May's lockdown ability?
Can you expand?
Thanks