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From the Dees. the most marketable are Gawn (obviously) and Hunt (who surprisingly, has only been mentioned by DeeOldFart) with, depending on what he does with his hair, Oskar Baker as a future possibility; even the nickname "Ginga Ninja" reeks of marketability.

Yes, a thyroid issue and a couple of blown hammies are hardly issues related to a player's headspace. In this instance I'd have to say that I don't think it's Salem that needs to get his head right.

Yeah, just like Dustin Martin... oh, hang on.

I hope that they at least got done on the correct arms.

Heh... I think that questioning peoples’ marriage breakdowns on moral grounds is just plain wrong. Barnaby however did set himself up by publicly making statements about the sanctity of marriage etc. But I don’t think that was the reason he was dragged across the coals. I’ve already mentioned what I thought was a major reason elsewhere in this thread, but it certainly didn’t help that he has since been accused of sexual harassment, by a member of his own party.

I watched the replay this morning and he went well... but please don’t wish a gurney on him! ?

I really could not care less what any of these so called media pundits think of our chances... I only care that we make finals, and opinions, regardless of where they come from, will have no bearing on that.

Think I prefer The Kelvinator.

I’m starting to get genuinely concerned over my failing memory. Fixed.

Yes, Quentin Bryce, Chloe Bryce’s mother. From the Courier Mail 2008: ”FEDERAL Labor parliamentarian and former union leadter Bill Shorten has left his wife for the daughter of the new Governor-General, Quentin Bryce.” http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/shorten-with-ggs-daughter/news-story/1139db9114866dfa6ed8a18100fe2490 Of course I’m assuming ET was referring to the woman Shorten left his wife for... I’m not aware of any other such “transgressions“.

So what you’re really saying is that by dishing it off, he has more or less made it impossible to be left out of round 1 ?

Perhaps when it can be established that she was actually a staffer of his.... which will be never, due to the fact that she wasn’t. They met at the swearing in of her mother as the 25th Gov General of Australia.

Is anyone else watching this on Foxtel and if so, are you getting a broken feed? I’m guessing it’s a problem at their end because the commentary’s not affected.

I think our biggest failing to this point in the game has been our failure to stick tackles; they have been allowed to release (and clear) the ball too easily.

I hadn’t realised that Chloe Bryce was working for Shorten at the time, nor that a well paid job was created specifically for her at the taxpayers’ expense when their relationship came to light. But in terms of their personal situations, I agree that it does reek of hypocrisy.

Well Jnr, in my original response to you (that I copied above), that was exactly what my first sentence was responding to. The fact that you said it occurred on both sides of politics, yet you chose only to put a number of posts highlighting indiscretions from the left side. That was my point. You had said: "however it's got nothing to do with the side of politics as you can see from above. It's neither conservative nor Labor or Green. Its got to do with the character of the people involved." As for the quote... I do not have a direct quote but it has been reported widely across the press, and to cite just one of many, the following from news.com.au: "Remarks about promiscuity and upholding family values are coming back to haunt Mr Joyce after his affair with a now-pregnant former staff member in his office was made public." http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/marriage/the-comments-coming-back-to-haunt-barnaby-joyce/news-story/816edfc4ceb042435f80267ebd64cd8e Sure it's not straight from the horse's mouth, and you may even turn around and say that this is probably not a reputable site (although I don't know why), but comments such as this, referring to his publicly stated belief in traditional family values, have appeared on numerous sites, so it is more than likely there is more than a little truth involved. Another insight into his albeit skewiff set of traditional values, was his stance against immunisation against cervical cancer because it would promote promiscurity among teenage girls: "During discussion about the roll out of a national immunisation campaign using Gardisil, a vaccine that protects young women from the virus that causes 70 per cent of cervical cancers, Mr Joyce expressed fears it would encourage young women to be promiscuous."

Oh, and I suppose next you’re going to tell us that the tanks equipped with 12 reverse gears was a myth as well?! oops! Just saw Demonlands post above and find no delete button... feel more than welcome to delete. But I am delighted at Trac’s re-signing as he is going to be a very important cog in our premiership machine.

Not disappointed at all. The scarf goes straight into the drawer and will no doubt end up at the Cat Protection Society's Opportunity Shop once the other half finds it, the fixture goes onto the fridge, the membership card into my wallet and the rest into the recycle bin. Letters are just empty words anyway, and actions speak louder than words.

Damnit!! Media adviser!! How embarassment! Why am I unable to edit from both my mobile and my PC? Is there some sort of a time based window for editing that closes after a certain period of time? As I am unable to edit the original post, I will repost the edited version here: "So Junior, why are you going to so much trouble to show transgressions only on the left side of politics? The issue I have with Joyce is that he pushed the No vote on the basis of good old family values, whilst at the same time porking his media advisor, who was then set up with a nice position in Matt Canavan's office once their relationship came to light within party ranks, and then into a position in Drum's office that appears to have been created specifically for her. Of those cases you cite above, and in particular the Tony Burke case which comes closest in terms of scenarios, it would seem that the right (or, in this case wrong) side of politics learned nothing in the interim."

You’ll never hear me accusing the US of being a great country. Back to those figures, if you’re talking of a period starting in 2003 and continuing through to recent times, then in that period, the US would still have a gun related deaths figure that comes close to being 50%. Not something to be proud of.

You’re right, I don’t know, just as you or I don’t know Lever’s aspirations nor whether he would be adversely affected by taking on a leadership role.

Over what period are you saying there were in excess of a million deaths? My example covers a three year period, not the entire conflict.

Yes... and they were managing to kill more of their own at home than the estimated number of Iraqi deaths (both civilian and troops) that occurred in the war in Iraq over a similar period of time. For example, from Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Various_estimates): "A June 25, 2006, Los Angeles Times article, "War's Iraqi Death Toll Tops 50,000", reported that their estimate of violent deaths consisted "mostly of civilians" but probably also included security forces and insurgents. It added that, "Many more Iraqis are believed to have been killed but not counted because of serious lapses in recording deaths in the chaotic first year after the invasion, when there was no functioning Iraqi government, and continued spotty reporting nationwide since." Here is how the Times got its number: "The Baghdad morgue received 30,204 bodies from 2003 through mid-2006, while the Health Ministry said it had documented 18,933 deaths from 'military clashes' and 'terrorist attacks' from April 5, 2004, to June 1, 2006. Together, the toll reaches 49,137. However, samples obtained from local health departments in other provinces show an undercount that brings the total well beyond 50,000. The figure also does not include deaths outside Baghdad in the first year of the invasion.""

So Junior, why are you going to so much trouble to show transgressions only on the left side of politics? The issue I have with Joyce is that he pushed the No vote on the basis of good old family values, whilst at the same time porking his Chief of Staff, who was then set up with a nice position in Matt Canavan's office once their relationship came to light within party ranks. Of those cases you cite above, and in particular the Tony Burke case which comes closest in terms of scenarios, it would seem that the right (or, in this case wrong) side of politics learned nothing in the interim.

My concern with Lever being in the leadership group is his age. He may be AA quality, but that doesn't necessarily translate into maturity when it comes to leadership; you need look no further than what happened when the two Jacks were given the captaincy. Jetta on the other hand, has been involved in mentoring and ambassadorial activities (if I recall correctly) with no impact on his performances, so I can see him being able to make a pretty much seamless transition into the leadership group.