Curry & Beer

I'm sorry were we discussing something? good onya mate.... shame you are in the middle of a discussion with a different poster, about a different player, in a different season fmd what an arrogant tool

not going to get into it with you but way, way, way too much is made out of every little piece of sports science data these days. People forget that they are not racehorses and that there are skills, brains and guts involved in being a good footballer, it's not all about beep tests.

ah yes, more discussion of skin folds and agility tests and the pretense that it all really matters these blokes put in pretty hard. They get a few weeks off over christmas to be very young men. give them a break FFS

Yeah but having said that, there's every chance Oliver will do what Brayshaw did and make a real contribution too as I mentioned elsewhere, Viney+Vanders+Salem+Tyson missed 33 games between them last year then there's Kennedy, Melksham and Bugg That's 12 players mentioned who are poised to contribute something they did not last year.. that means sweeping lineup changes Exciting

I'm looking for the 1st+5th combo (Hogan+Brayshaw) to repeat again for Truck+Oliver Twist

still the favourite for the rising star, with good reason.. most likely to do a Brayshaw (and then some) to be the best midfielder and there will be no Hogan to pinch it off him he will be better this year than he would have been last year, that year of development while recovering will give him a boost like it did for Hogan

discussing 7 years of BnF placings is not 'selective use of statistics'. What better measurement device could you possibly use? and wtf is talking about niknat ffs

depends whether it suits your argument. Would you say Viney and Hogan getting 2nd and 4th in the BnF are good signs for their future? I'm actually pro-Watts, but there is no getting around the fact that 7 seasons to produce a 9th and a 10th in the BnF is pretty bloody average. Particularly when you consider how bloody awful we have been for most of that time, awful enough for most of the blokes in that picture to get a high result.

oh in that case i take it back magnificent video

You weren't enamored by the way it started? Maverick Weller kicking a goal against us while a creepy fat man is superimposed in the foreground.

are you saying the video proves or disproves that contention?

how about you stop posting garbage, contribute something to a footy discussion, then I'll 'lighten up'... deal? then again 3 people liked it so that says something about the site huh

didn't think so solid contribution as usual why do you even bother?

did you actually read anything that I wrote

as is the bookies Christian Petracca (Melb) 6.50 Darcy Moore (Coll) 11.00 Toby McLean (WB) 14.00 Jacob Weitering (Carl) 14.00 Callum Mills (Syd) 15.00 Jacob Hopper (GWS) 15.00 Clayton Oliver (Melb) 15.00

who made this? Excellent work. Reminds us of the talent the bloke has, just needs to produce more regularly

what on earth do you mean?

yep, we've been here before - this is all of course predicated on the hope we will actually bring our players into fruition instead of watching them fizzle out like we have done the last decade. As I said, quantifying it is a highly subjective task. Fyfe is #1. As I said, 9/10 can be as low as #40, that's how many midfielders there are (200 for the 18 sides is about right). I'd say Jones will be about in the #25-#30 mark which he was in his 3 BnF years. Brayshaw's year was a touch overrated - he was sterling in the first half but faded quite a bit, which is to be expected as a first year player who played 21 games. Really a 5/10 is more than fair, and it's a fantastic result for a debutant, it's league-average. No doubt about it though, he and Salem should definitely surpass him at SOME point (we expect them to be 10/10s of course, which I don't think Vanders will ever be) i'm just saying this year is too soon for that expectation. Fair call on Petracca, but if you compare him to Brayshaw's first year (who killed it) he has a bigger rig and now a year of working on his body, as well as the mental and emotional aspects of the game, as Hogan did, and we know how he went in his first fit year. He should be at least equal if not ahead of Brayshaw in his readiness to take it on from day one. Will be a joy to watch I'm sure. Interested to see your rating numbers on the ten players 2015 vs 2016

If you read my definition you would realise that you can get a 9/10 and be the 40th best midfielder in the league. Now tell me how many midfielders there are in the AA squad and how close both Jones/Vince would have been to making it. 9/10 is spot on. However, fair call on Jones/Viney, perhaps they should be both be an 8. Just quietly I think that BnF result is a touch inflated for Viney whereas Jones gets marked by everyone against his own previous successes. Salem and Brayshaw don't have the mature body of Vandenburg, which is his key strength, you can't expect them to perform better than him at this stage, particularly Salem who is having his first run in the midfield. Oliver, Petracca and Trengove did not contribute in '15. This is precisely my point, that whatever we get from them is a bonus - however technically you're right, maybe I should have left them out and made the 'before' column consist of the 3 of the blokes they are replacing - M.Jones, Bail, Michie, Toumpas and Cross?.. only the last one is any real loss so it doesn't change the thrust of the point too much. That thrust being that we have some seriously talented youngsters who are clearly going to get better (Brayshaw, Viney, Tyson, Salem) and 3 talented 'newbies' (Trengove, Petracca, Oliver all top 3 draft picks) that are pure net gains. On top of that, Viney+Vanders+Salem+Tyson missed 33 games between them last year so hopefully we get a bit luckier a run this time. Just saying it is hard to imagine our overall midfield performance NOT having a serious bump in quality. Another posted also mentioned the expected improvement of big Max, which will all of course benefit all of them.

well 9/10 by my definition puts them somewhere between the 21st and the 40th best midfielders in the comp.. I think that's pretty fair. I also think there is no reason to suspect that either of them will have a worse year in 2016 than they did in 2015. Giving truck and oliver a 5 is just like saying they will have year as good as Brayshaw's first - you can't ask for more than that, in fact it's probably asking a bit much. Correct weight that Bugg, Kennedy, Stretch, possibly ANB and Melksham should also be in the conversation, but I would put them all outside the top ten midfielders at the moment (have to draw the line somewhere)

I don't see how we can NOT do better than that prediction. Here's how i see it, in a highly subjective attempt to quantify it **These ratings refer to a 'league' standard, ie the top 20 midfielders in the comp get a 10.. if you were injured a lot or didn't actually play in the midfield (or play at all) your rating goes down.. age/experience is not considered, just output** Player - 2015 rating out of 10 - potential rating 2016 out of 10 Jones - 9 - 9 Vince - 9 - 9 Viney - 7 - 9 Vandenberg - 5 - 8 Brayshaw - 5 - 8 Tyson - 4 - 9 Salem - 1 - 7 Trengove - 0 - 6 Petracca - 0 - 5 Oliver - 0 - 5 2015 total/avg: 41/4.1 2016 total/avg: 75/7.5 (if all goes well, which it won't!) Now, logically speaking, an average of 5 should be about 9th best, and 7.5 should be about 5th best Realistically we should be able to perform a bit above average

that's the definition of trolling

if only we could all meet your lofty standard of just going around and bashing every post that is made. Troll.

troll

LOL!