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2018 Player Reviews: # 37 Dion Johnstone
DeeSpencer replied to Demonland's topic in Melbourne Demons
Nice kick on both sides, great tackler, likes the contest, but not enough natural football ability to get the ball - either back or forward. Maybe another preseason getting much fitter might've helped but some guys don't have big tanks either. In general I'm a fan of being patient with draft picks - assuming there's no off field concerns or career ending injuries - because you don't want to miss out on what you bought a guy in to do, but I get that there's a baseline level of performance and improvement required. -
Doubt Carlton will do anything with pick 1. I think Gold Coast would be wise to move backwards a few spots to pick kids who actually agree to go there. The counter is that might be the South Australian's!
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Yes there's a difference between something under wraps in season and a post season tour. The exceptions might be at clubs like the Giants now who need to move certain players but might keep some depending on the deals and in situations like with Dusty where there are extenuating circumstances.
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Lin Jong and possibly a heap of other lesser names in season who are fighting for contracts but not the big names post season. The asking for a trade is an interesting point in all of this. I very much get the feeling Melbourne have asked Hogan to explore his options. He might be agreeing to a trade rather than asking for one.
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Nice enough player but contracted until next year. I couldn't see us paying what's required to move him. Should be able to find half back flankers out of Hibberd, Salem, Fritsch, Joel Smith, KK and some draft picks.
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Preuss or another capable ruck can do the Mason Cox role. Or they can ruck and Gawny can go forward and be a nightmare for a lot of defenders. Smith played a few decent games this year and should be fitter after a full preseason next year. He competes, that's the main thing you need from back ups. I would say Frost is not completely out of the picture as being capable of this as well. Key defenders just competing at CHF has been a recent trend with guys like Zaine Cordy and Mihocek. The main solution though is playing through Petracca and Melksham.
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Certainly a vastly overused term. But I think the Hawks up until this year were a club that players were very keen to get to. They didn't have to sell themselves to recruits, they had recruits coming to them. I also think the dynamics have changed over the last 18 months with North going really hard at big names and the Tom Boyd deal not exactly crippling the Dogs. Lower teams were previous afraid to make big moves that could hurt their salary caps in the years to come. With the salary cap rising quickly the bottom teams can offer huge money and not worry too much about the depth of their list. When everyone was offering similar money the top clubs and the big off field clubs had a huge advantage.
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Hawthorn 08-17 got every player they wanted I think. First miss was Tom Lynch. All without paying big money. Plenty of teams wanted Burgoyne, Hale, Gunston, O’Rourke, Frawley, Mitchell, O’Meara. They all chose the Hawks. That’s a destination club. They had the list, the coach, proven premiership success and medical/fitness staff to develop players. Getting the guys you want without having to pay top dollar is a huge advantage.
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No player was more disrupted by the drugs stuff, he was on the verge of breaking out, hurt his foot then had to miss the whole year. He'd want to be cheap and maybe only a 1 year deal but I'd certainly take him.
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Aaron vandenBerg not going - signs a new deal!!!
DeeSpencer replied to Tony Tea's topic in Melbourne Demons
I believe they have to have as many list spots as picks they take in to the draft. So you can’t have picks 30, 35,45 and then 50, 51, 52, 53, 54 etc all adding points but only 4 list spots. I think teams can get around it a bit by redrafting some of their own players or taking extra rookies. Swans might be keen to trade their first but probably won’t offer up any discount for the rights to it. I doubt we do it because I think we’ll need an even spread of 2nds and 3rds to get the quality depth in -
Different types of players. Johnstone is more defensive and contested, Lockhart plays higher up the ground and gets more of the ball. No issue having 2 smaller defenders developing on the list if they are both wanted. We've got the list spots to balance the list with a number of needs type picks but also to take some developmental prospects no matter what position they play.
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Very ambitious thinking. I reckon to get 4 and 5 from Freo we'd have to give up something pretty solid. I can't remember a player ever being traded for 2 blue chip pieces like that. Even the Judd deal had Josh Kennedy devalued from a true blue chipper to more of a gamble on his upside. Lever's deal last year relied on both of our first rounders not being the real top line picks. Beams was pick 5 and 25. Burgoyne, Treloar had the Pies planning on improvement and getting a 2nd rounder back I just can't remember a deal of two super high picks. 1 player = 1 blue chip piece. Similarly Gold Coast have May contracted for another year and the chance at some juicy AFL free agency compensation. We have to get inside pick 10 I think, even if we get more than just May for it. From all reports the King's have flat out told GC to stay away. Maybe they draft both of them and hope that works. I'm not so sure. And if we draft them there's a good chance they both need 3 years and 30 AFL games of finding their feet footy which doesn't help us. I actually think the best case scenario is 5 and 10 for Hogan. 1 of those picks goes to May. 1 goes to the draft if no one wants it. The 2019 first rounder could be moved forward in to this years draft and maybe split in to a few pieces. The Eagles traded their future first with the Suns for a raft of 2nd round picks. I'm not sure another club would be that stupid but it would be a way to really beef up the depth of our list and solve some needs. I get the appeal of landing a Josh Kelly but drafting one high quality kid early and then some mid round picks for another Spargo and Fritsch could really set the list up. Then we turn to free agency. We'd all like Josh Kelly but I'd settle for taking a heap of talent in this years draft to make sure we're stocked in the years to come and then landing Chad Wingard as a free agent next year.
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I get the feeling you could sign with Freo on the basis that if things don't improve next year you won't have to worry about playing under Lyon after that.
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Did anyone see Richmond or Collingwood challenging for a flag? Forward line - Ben Brown, Ziebell, Simpkin, Mason Wood and some assorted smalls, far from the worst Backline - Tarrant, big Majak, Thompson, Wright, Macmillan, McDonald, Marley Williams - that's not bad Midfield - Goldy might have a couple of years left. Cunnington and Higgins are A graders. Gaff joins them. Polec on the wing. Lots of depth with Ahern, Anderson, Dumont, Hall. Might be missing a true superstar but weren't the Eagles? Richmond might be a super team next year, they were pretty close this year, otherwise there won't be anyone at the heights Geelong, Sydney or Hawthorn have been recently. No reason North can't finish top 4. I'd love to play for a big club at the MCG most weeks. But I doubt the Pies wanted him, the Tigers couldn't fit him in, the Hawks might be more stuck in no mans land than the Roos and if Melbourne offered me 750k and had to trade for me compared to 1.1-1.2M at the Roos sadly I'd go the Roos.
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WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - STEVEN MAY
DeeSpencer replied to DemonLad5's topic in Melbourne Demons
I think Lever will roam around at CHB, May will anchor the backline at full back and we will pick the 3rd tall defender to lock down depending on opponent. Or even go without a 3rd tall and back Hibberd and Jetta in. Against a side like the Pies that would mean either Frost or Joel Smith to play on De Goey. Against the Eagles that would mean Oscar to take the resting ruckman. From Mahoney's comments yesterday I don't expect Lever to be rushed back in so with or without May there will be plenty of chances for guys to play. -
WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - STEVEN MAY
DeeSpencer replied to DemonLad5's topic in Melbourne Demons
Which Hogan are you watching? I see a guy who goes the short sideways option instead of pulling the trigger inside 50. And the stats say 59.5% kicking efficiency this year which is below Tyson and Brayshaw. May was the Suns 5th more efficient kick. In a better side he'll either be able to play it safe and not waste the ball and/or take the game on more. -
Always hard to rate mature age players but I thought Lockhart looked a natural at half back and a quick skilled rebounding flanker is certainly a need. Lewis clearly doesn't have much left. Salem or Lever might move in to that spot but there will be an opening for a guy who can run the ball out. Apart from Hunt we don't have anyone else on the list to take over that role. Stretch and JKH are wing/half forward types. KK I get the feeling reading between the lines will be targeted to play wing at least initially. Fritsch can do it but is more the type to mark and kick rather than really run the lines, as is Wagner. Joel Smith isn't that skilled type either. Dion Johnstone seems more of a lock down defender at least at this stage, if he ever makes it at all. Lockhart played midfield and forward in Casey finals because that's where they were short on talent. His half back games that I saw were much better. I hope they were hiding him from recruiters and rounding his game as well. They said when they recruited Tim Smith and Fritsch that they would've picked them for Melbourne if available. There were times earlier this year when Lewis needed a kick up the backside that I would've picked Lockhart.
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Josh Mahoney - Trade Radio 2/10/18
DeeSpencer replied to Watts the matter's topic in Melbourne Demons
Go watch the grand final where 194cm Tom Barrass gives Mason Cox a bath. 10cm can easily be made up jumping with 1 arm to punch compared to 2 arms to mark. And that's even before you get in to positioning, body work and reading the play. -
Here's one from left field: I wonder if we pay a good chunk of his wage if the Giants would take him back. If they lose Shiel, Lobb and Setterfield they'll need depth and Dom's best mate Tomlinson is still up there. If a bottom team wanted him by now I think they would've put their hand up to get him. The Giants might yet again have more draft picks than they need and could give us a better one than any other side would offer if we give them a depth player in return for salary. It's certainly a call I'd be making to find out.
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WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - KADE KOLODJASHNIJ
DeeSpencer replied to DemonLad5's topic in Melbourne Demons
I hope not. I don't think Salem is a great endurance runner. Moving him on to the wing could result in more hamstring trouble. He reads the play beautifully at half back, makes excellent decisions, wins contests on the ground, defends more than capably against the right opponents and his kicking should only improve if he's encouraged to back himself and flatten the ball out. As Lewis goes out of the side Salem will only get more important at half back. KK I think they'll try on the wings because he has the height to kick it to 1 on 1, has a long penetrative kick suited to kick inside 50 or over the top, ran a 10.10 3km time trial and the wing will give him more space to get on to his left. -
125 votes in 17 games. 7.4 votes a game 1.8 per coach. So more weeks than not the coaches thought Tyson was either not doing his role at all or just meeting the baseline standards.
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Aaron vandenBerg not going - signs a new deal!!!
DeeSpencer replied to Tony Tea's topic in Melbourne Demons
125 best and fairest votes in only 7 games. Had he played the full 25 games he would've finished 5th. I'm not going to crunch the per game average on every player but it's fair to say Melksham, Viney, Brayshaw, T Mc would've finished ahead of him but one way or another he'd be in the top dozen. Unless the coaches were just feeling sorry for him or thought he had a few unsustainable games I don't see how he's not very highly rated by the coaches. -
Josh Mahoney - Trade Radio 2/10/18
DeeSpencer replied to Watts the matter's topic in Melbourne Demons
Interesting. My major takeaways: 1. Hogan out, May in has to be at least 70% I think. And they must feel confident that they'll land May. Sounds like they had him lined up as a major target post 2019 season. 2. Preuss is either not a lock or they are willing to negotiate hard with North to get him for a good price. I wonder who the other options are? 3. They know they need more outside class and pace. Lots of mentions of balancing the list. Think it takes more than just Kade Kolo to achieve that, very keen to see who else is on the target list. -
Barlow can only play 1 position on the ground - inside mid. We currently have: Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw, Harmes, Jones, Tyson, Vanders, Maynard and Petracca who can do that. 9 guys for 4 spots. 2 might be about to leave which would still have us at 7 guys for 4 spots. If we lose Vanders and Tyson without getting a midfielder with some inside ability back then we probably look for a ready made replacement but I'd take Corey Wagner or some other state league player who can play some different roles as well and has some upside. Even just drafting an 18 year old midfielder in the 2nd or 3rd round you can potentially get some games out of them in a depth role as early as year 1 and if not then by year 2 when Jones is either moved on or can't be considered a midfield chance. We should be looking for a dominant VFL midfielder to sign for Casey so they have a respectable captain and week to week presence in the side. Casey needs that, Melbourne don't.
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Port tried that last year, got them absolutely nowhere. It's a work place as well as a cut throat list management business. There's value in having guys who have been around for a while, know the coaches, know the game plan, gel well with team mates and don't need extra resources diverted to them. Carlton and GC are taking 5 of the best mature players out of the system. Delistings from another teams rarely work out, they've been cut for a reason. Jetta and Pedersen are two guys we've got a heap of games out of that I thought should've been let go years before they became important players. It's a low strike rate but so is taking late round rookies or delisted players from other sides.