The Chazz

You will need their parents consent if you want to take photos of these ones Saty. An extra bit of advice - don't ask for "guns" pics from these ones.

Just like many clubs will be scoffing when they see that CD has Melbourne with the best midfield.

I really struggle with any player using the homesick card to get out of a club. If the day comes where a senior coach is lured by the "go home" factor, then the AFL world might as well shut up shop.

Would love to see how their track record is with this stuff. I remember only a year or two ago they were saying that Collingwood had the best midfield, and we all laughed. Obviously this year they nearly pinched a flag. I'm all for unwarranted criticism, but if they have a history of their figures proving to show a high level of success, then I will go and get my premiership tattoo for Christmas!

NFI what you are talking about. Aka - dafuq?

I always felt that a footy club needed a good Hore involved in some capacity...

When will the annual "nicknames for the new draftees" thread be up and running? Hope mods will have their censor fingers ready, especially when the likes of uncle @Bitter but optimistic gets amongst it.

Get him to move in with Hibberd all summer.

Do I have to agree with every decision that the Club/JT makes? No. The decision was made to pick up Wagner, and it's one that I don't think will work. Get over it. I wasn't critical of JTs drafting of Dion Johnston, Mitch King or Liam Hulett. Guess what, he got those ones wrong too. I really don't know why you have an issue with my opinion about this, Nasher. I will either be right or wrong, just like JT will be with every decision he makes.

Not tonight, so you can go to bed.

Fox commentators amazed Valenti (?) Is still available. What's he like and would he be worth hoping makes it to our first pick?

As it stands, I have a number of players ahead of him that could or can play a similar role. Some of these players aren't in my best 22. So for Corey, I think he has a lot of work to do to leapfrog these players to become "first drop" depth. He may do it, hence why I said depth at best. The jump to become best 22, which again is what the OP implied, is going to be out of reach in my view. Hopefully this clarifies it for you.

This is just a poor post, in particular the top line. I have said he will be depth at best, and that if it doesn't work out, it's really cost us nothing so no great loss. My appraisal was always based around the OP believing he would slot straight on to our wing, which I disagree with. I strongly believe that for Wagner to play Round 1, it will require a number of injuries to key personnel, as well as some other players currently ahead of him going backwards. And I ask the question regarding his first time in the AFL system. North clearly thought he was ready to enter the system when they drafted him, but then they let him go after his first contract. Why? Was it attitude? Did he prove to them he wasn't ready? If so, they could've re-rookied him like how we did with Jetta. If he showed potential, they could've extended his contract and let him develop in the two's. They were happy to move forward without him, so maybe they could see that he just wasn't up to it. Interestingly, the next lot of players you have listed, Barlow, et al, were never in the system prior to being picked up by Free/Melb/Geel respectively. So far, there's been only one poster come up with a list of names that have been in the system, dropped out, then worked their way back, and I argue, which you agree with, rarely sees a successful outcome. I generally try and be open-minded abut these types of pick ups, but they very rarely make it, and find themselves delisted at the end of their new contract. To take a leaf out of Werridee's book, I don't have either Wagner in my best 22, and have them well down the batting order. I'm more than happy for you to reboot this thread mid year, on the condition you're happy for me to do the same after the Round 1 team is announced showing he hasn't slotted in to that wing position? ?

I wouldn't be calling that a success. That said, if he struggles, which I think he will, then it hasn't been a major failure either. Hence why I originally said he'd be depth at best. I agree re. the trading of Tyson and Kent. We've lost two players that could come in and perform admirably when required, so we're going to be a bit light on in that department this year. Wagner will clearly fill one of the roles, but I am very doubtful that he will perform at the levels that Kent and Tyson were able to (and that's not a very high benchmark). My attitude toward this sort of thing is probably a bit harsh, but I don't understand the posters that froth up over pick-ups like Wagner, McKenna, Balic, et al. There's plenty of posters that do (eg. the OP said they can see Wagner "slotting in well" on the wing. Please).

As expected, minimal success, if any. Thanks for responding though.

Pick 41 (or 43 due to academy picks), and the Lions had him as part of their academy but didn't match the bid?

The difference between all of the above players and Wagner is that the former players have always remained in the AFL system, where Wagner has had 12 months out of the system. Yes, Jetta was delisted, but he was immediately re-drafted as a rookie. I'd be interested to know the last player that started on a list, then was delisted, went back to a state league for 12 months, then worked his way back on an AFL list. I wouldn't think there would be many, and if there is any at all, I'd doubt the success rate is very high. Happy to be proven otherwise.

Will be depth at best. If either of the Wagner's jump in to our 22, it will mean some players have gone significantly backwards, and I will worry about our finals chances, let alone a flag chance.

So, this article says Hunt was in the rehab group, and your post says he's in the middle of a jungle. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-19/all-ok-for-kk-as-new-demon-stars-on-the-track I don't know why I rely on Demonland to form my first opinions.

Could've asked him what his best 22 was, in starting positions. Then backed it up with his best 22 for Casey. Would've been quality listening...!

We are very, very fortunate to have this bloke on our payroll.

What a cop-out. Those three pushed guys like Jones, Vince and Tyson out of the midfield. Heck, even Harmes made the most of his opportunities when given a bit of extra responsibility. If Petracca wants to play more midfield time, he has to be better when he goes in there.

Take a look at his 2017 goals... Compare them to many of his goals from this year, where he was often looking to dish off, or played on to kick around his body. Also, in 2017 he kicked 26 goals, 6 behinds. In 2018 he kicked 19 goals, 23 behinds. It's confidence.

Don't paint it any other way, his poor goal kicking was clearly a confidence thing. He got to the stage where he didn't want to take a shot because he felt he would miss.

If this photo doesn't cut at Trac, then we might as well trade him. And to go even further, if Maxy's arms were a bit longer, then next in line for the group hug would be Harmes. That, too, should be motivation enough for Trac to have a cracking preseason.