Little Goffy

Had a less than great couple of years after the major injury interruption which appears to have kept on pestering him through 2018 and 2019. Personally I still rate him, especially because he is a player who has proven in the past that he has an instinct for hunting opponents to get a tackle rather than just waving his arms at whoever comes near. Real question marks on him right now but I am confident of his resurgence. (touching wood regarding any further injury problems or complications). I do like the idea of using him a bit as a trouble-maker in the forward line. He has a deceptively good first few steps of acceleration and I'm sure would make a few opposition defenders a little nervous.

Would just Pick 2 be enough to get him though?

Given the make-it-up-as-you-go... er... 'spontaneous excutive authority' model of AFL management, I wonder if we could drop some hints to Gil that we would be interested in trading pick 2 as part of a deal to get King, and that way GC still gets to do their '1-2 buddy draft' without needing a start-of-draft priority pick. Ah, yes, similar lines to what binman just posted. IT all relies on shady deals that once upon a time would have been called draft tampering but which are now 'operations management'!

Wow. There are some people who really just believe the world ought to be arranged to suit them. I really hate the smug expression 'check your privilege', but geezus, there's a man who needs to check his privilege. This is even more inappropriate than the dancing in the Freo changerooms moment, that was at least just a tasteless celebration of a 'good commercial outcome'. Gil is actually putting pressure on a player regarding a significant personal decision.

Yeah, it would need to be a quality player, but for that part I am basing it on Gold Coast's serious need for mature quality. No good having all the top draft picks if they all want to leave right away... which bring me to the second point! I hesitated even as I posted because Ben King for 'new' pick 20 and 'move' of pick 8 to 2 sounds pretty limited. I think it is partly wishful thinking but also partly the problem of what can a club do when a player definitely wants out and as a club you don't have the credibility to force them to stay. Not without causing a ripple of irritation through other players. Half the club is eyeing the door anyway, there's very little sense of a club bond, zero tradition, and I don't think anyone really believe the club will become anything serious any time soon. It isn't really possible to stare down a kid who might very happily walk back into the draft the next year, knowing that they'll almost certainly land at a victorian club as they wish. Anyway, I just chose 8 to be the rebounding pick as a lucky number. Let's imagine, uh, 11 and hope that it seems more reasonable!

It's a funny pattern really, I'd say that last year's draft was fantastic right at the pointy end, but faded quickly even by the mid first round. Seems like this year there are fewer players in that 'super' category (hence everyone being crabby about the prospect of going from 2 to 3) but has more depth of 'quality' right through the first round. Presumably King would be a top-5 pick in this draft, it would be terrific to grab him knowing he was keen, and in a trade that kept us in the first round by shuffling later picks. Gold Coast's 15ish is a bit later than I'd prefer, which means there'd be a need for a third-club involvement, which makes sense if Gold Coast chooses to use their very early picks to bring in some mature quality, which they really need to do and which the AFL HQ would surely be pressuring them to do. Our top pick going to gold coast then on to somewhere else for a player and that club's first pick (eg. 8 ) which comes back to us while our second rounder (eg. 20) goes back to Gold Coast Us: OUT pick 2, 20, IN: pick 8, Ben King Gold Coast: OUT: Pick 2, Ben King IN: Pick 8, pick 20, mature player, Other Club: OUT: mature player, pick 8 IN: Pick 2 Am I in fantasy land or does that actually seem like a reasonable deal for all involved, in the event that Ben King definitely wants out? Sucks to be Brayden Preuss, though!

I am sure this news will come as a deep shock to many, and I think it would be best if the Mods closed the thread for a while so that everyone can take the time they need to digest this revelation.

If we were tanking, Fritsch would be floating around somewhere unclear near the backline-ish. Anyway, if we are tanking, what the hell are the Kangaroos doing? Aaaaaaaaah, that's why they signed Shaw. It was the only way they could get him to agree to stop winning.

And even available after the selections we still had! For the record, the latter half of the 2017 first round was pretty weak, and the real premium picks outside the top half dozen were in the block bookended by 24 (Tim Kelly) and 31 (Bailey Fritsch). In fact, aside from Kelly, Fritsch was probably the 'best available' of all options even from the pick we traded out. As for 2018 draft... as I've pointed out elsewhere, it is looking like a true misere draft except for a handful of serious quality at the very pointy end. From the pick we traded out (which eventually became 19, Liam Stocker) until the end of the draft, only three players have had any significant presence so far, Matthew Parker (taken at 47), Noah Answerth (pick 55) and.. oh hey, our very own Marty Hore. So, in Marty Hore, we pretty clearly got the best player of all those available at pick 19. So with the exception of Tim Kelly, that has kind of happened twice. Funny how things work out. Debate all you want whether pick 10 and 19 are too much to pay for probably the best young key defender available in the game at the time, but one thing is clear, the trade and its consequences are in no way responsible for how things have gone since then.

One does not simply schedule an extended outdoor activity in Canberra, at night, in August. The average overnight temperature is 2 degrees, and it typically gets close to that range within a few hours of the sun going down. Rain is a one in three chance on any given day for the month, higher in early August. The soil is always damp so the wind is always biting, and that wind comes directly off the highlands, continuously, for the whole month. I genuinely miss it. But since the AFL is supposed to serve sane/normal people, this fixture is just incredibly stupid.

The evidence has come through again and again that top picks aren't the decisive factor for a climb back up the ladder. Quality coaching and development, a bit of stability and confidence at the club, 'culture' and all that, are what counts. If anything, the AFL should be looking at ways to push more of the support resources to the weaker clubs, such as through the soft cap rules. Possibly also an expansion of reserves-style listings to bring in mature players as needed. After all, the goal of any equalisation policy cannot be to have all teams reach the pinnacle - but it can realistcally be to prevent any teams from declining to the point of lasting non-competitiveness. Of course, a sensible policy would also include a massive general injection of professional resouces into the second-tier competitions, greatly enhancing the depth of competant playing stocks, the diversity of pathways for players who lack AFL-level discipline at age 18, and the available depth and quality of coaching, medical and conditioning staff. But that's kind of the 'Carthage must be destroyed' of any AFL debate at the moment.

It is not his 'first position' but I agree that Wines might be of value to us as an extra bit of toughness and hunting inside-50, a little bit like the role Vandenberg is optimal for. So, obviously, Wines becomes more appealing in the event that Vandenberg retires. This is of course on the understanding that Wines would become a valuable addition to our stoppage options as well. Doesn't get us any closer to having the zippy goalsneak and fast-pressure players our forward line could use, though. Hmm, becomes an even more awkard shaped forward line, practically everyone in it except Weideman and McDonald is actually a half-forward or a midfielder-forward. Wines, Petracca, Melksham, Fritsch, Lochkart? Hunt? Hannan? What could be comedy value at least is to end up with a forward line that is basically just another midfield, except up the end of the ground. Centre bounce, mongrel clearance forward, stoppage, clearance, mogrel kick at goal, repeat. And our centres don't even run forward, they just wait across the midfield zones to cover the rebound, and ready on the spot for the next centre bounce if the plan works! Would be the ugliest game style of the modern era... but it could work! Anyway, Wines is signed at Port until 2022 and the article is a beat up - Wines is being given a week at SANFL level to be sure he is fresh and the decision was maybe a little influenced by the sentiment of keeping together the team which hammered Essendon on the weekend. Probably not much to see here.

Gold Coast just dropped Martin and Wright. So, they are either actually tanking or they are proving that no amount of top picks will be the answer to their problem.

Funnily enough, this link to another article has the tip-off. It isn't about the real value of your expertise or even brand, it is about who you can offer links to and arrange the wine nights with. Port Adelaide learning from the Crown Casino model of business networking and PwC wants in on the China creative accounting action. There's barely a veil on this one. At least it isn't HSBC, and there doesn't appear to be any wombat shooting involved.

I know it will annoy the hell out of a few people who will immediately have (valid) trauma flashbacks to missing out on Josh Kelly, but I am convinced that at least as far as late in the first round there are multiple players which would suit us quite well and have really good careers. So I'd be very interested in seeing 2 and 20 turn into, say, 7 and 12. I'm less and less keen on trading for 'pretty good' players on inflated salaries. At some point we're going to need to hit free agents hard if we're going to sustain a position as a contender, and I've dropped away from the idea that the likes of Hill or Langdon would make a difference to us becoming contenders. Cyril Rioli they are not.

Agree absolutely with the running goalkickers and the need for a genuine smart dangerous forward, but have to query the bit about history being against us. After all, we are the yo-yo demons! Our record over almost 30 years in seasons after we have won a final is 11th, 9th, 14th, 11th, 14th, 14th and this season. On the other hand, we've also gone From last with 4 wins, to winning to final (1997-98), From 14th with 6 wins to a Grand final (1999-2000) , 11th to 6th (2001-02), 14th with 5 wins to 5th with 14 wins (2003-2004). Even I don't have the patience to tally up the number of times our percentage has change by more than point up or down from one season to the next. I'd laugh about it except my head is sore from beating it against my desk.

Interestingly, that was alos a chronic problem at Essendon when Goodwin was there. I remember my often 'intemperate' Bomber friend just losing it completely a few times as the ball got passed around in their forward 50 until, inevitably, the turnover. I wont go so far as to blame Goodwin for it, but I do wonder if there's a little bit of carried-over 'learnings' that might be approrpiate to delete.

The question is pretty obvious and I'm sure I'm not the only one who has this thought creeping around in the back of my mind. What would it take to push the Demons back into the top ranks in 2020? I'm trying to think of specific things which can be identified and realistically hoped for, things that might each be worth one extra goal for or one less goal against, per game. I'll knock off some of the obvious ones but I'm keen to hear what specific other things people think could be added to create the rebound. 1. Lever & May get full pre-seasons and play a stable year together as our main talls in defence. 2. Tom McDonald regains form. 3. Burgess successfully implements a fitness program that has us running out final quarters at least on break-even terms with our opponents. 4. Melksham, Fritsch and Petracca get organised into a consistently effective half-forward group. 5. Our core midfielders work out better spacing, shepherding, and other 'fundamentals' at stoppages which allows for smarter, calmer ball movement. Damn that's a lot of obvious things to start with!

Good read, and damn I wish I could spent a few days tucked in a cave with nothing but the premium data to distract me. Just want to note that there's a bit of a question mark on saying that Richmond's depth is stronger than ours, based on how well they covered the players missing from their best 22 . Depth players and players on the fringe have been the really disproportionate part of our injury list (as opposed to our best 22 which has experienced merely the most serious depletion in the league). Even right now, Richmond are missing 2 maybe 3 from what might be considered their best 22 for statistical markers (Rance, Cotchin, Higgins), but then only three other players. In contrast, Melbourne are missing May, McDonald, and Weideman from what might be the 22 as assessed at the start of this season, based on 2019. But in addition to that we are missing Smith, Vandernberg, Garlett, Kolodjashnij, Hannan, Spargo and four others. And that 3+10 is as short as our injury list has been all season. Picking a random ealier round, round 10, Richmond were pretty much at their peak of injures with ten while we were limping around with seventeen. Again, the actual number of 'best 22' missing was much closer. It would be fair to say our depth hasn't been 'tested' so much as mutiliated this season. Spinal fluid biopsy might be accurate.

Headline says he has skill in his blood. So he'd better hope he doesn't get drafted by Essendon or they'll have him plugged into one of those extraction baths from the Matrix.

That Jeff White moment. A bit emotional that one.

We'll have Richardson, Ratten and Bolton all on our coaching panel by mid October in time to draw in Coniglio as a free agent. Yep yep yep.

Fair enough, and definitely can agree your OP was raising a question without pushing an agenda. Be assured my irritation is at the evolution of the thread with a few layers of odium, and I am not such a mad fool as to blame the person who starts a discussion thread for the contents several pages later!

Honestly, I'm just annoyed by this thread. In form, Angus Brayshaw is a top quality midfielder with calm vision and initiative to make things happening. Our of form, not so much. But also, crap trade value. Trading him because of his poor form this year, when half the team has had a poor year, would be blatant and unreasonable scapegoating and foolish from a list development level as well as a team solidarity level. Some people need to find healthier ways to manage their emotions.

Jordan Lewis seems to have responded to his own decision to retire the same way that clubs respond to having a new coach. Freeeeeeedom! Aaaaargh! Charge!