Nasher

It amounts to trading Sylvia for Vince, no matter where the pick falls now. At worst it is a break even, for me it is a massive win. Come on, hurry up and be official already.

Assuming we'll pick the absolute worst is just as silly as assuming we'll pick the absolute best.

yeah you're right we'd be better off with Vince than Joel Selwood

The compo pick wasn't "attached" to our pick 20. The offloading of pick 20 has no bearing on where our compo pick will be.

Don't worry, just watch a few of our games on TV. No doubt Lynch, Darcy and co will be all over it and get it right.

It's not looking any more like that now than it was when Sylvia first went.

This was a nice dream while it lasted. I'm guessing giving GWS pick 9 back won't get the job done

Well, this came out of the blue somewhat. I guess we're not getting Buntine and Bugg, then?

Now you've gotten to the heart of the issue. This happens all the time - if there's nothing to say, the writers just fill their column with horse poo instead of just saying nothing.

One. I agree with Ben's assertion that a star is necessary if you want to reach the ultimate, I just disagree that downgrade pick 2 to pick 9 is throwing away the chance at a star.

Who's to say you won't get your star at 9? In perfect theory pick 2 should be better than pick 9, but I'd be interested to take a really good look back and see where in the draft stars are found. My hypothesis is that you're just as likely to get your star anywhere in the top 10 as you are at #2; I don't see it as a huge gamble if we get two solid players out of it.

You'd be better off not wasting everyone's time and just offer them nothing, rather than trying to rip them off and having them slam the door in your face.

It does, but how many vacancies do we have? (Sorry for the lazy question, I'm in no position to self research at present)

How so? I think we need to try and cram as many AFL standard mids on to our list as possible. If we grab Lyons as well as all the other things going on then it becomes logistically difficult to get Cross on the list, but that's very different to not needing him at all.

Are we really in a position to be making 3-players-for-1 deals with the number of vacancies we have? It'd have to be for players we really needed and I'm not sure these two are it.

Doubt we'd have ever really pushed that hard to be in the race anyway. He's one of my favourite non-MFC players, but given the irons we have in the fire in regards to midfielders and how urgent a need that is, a flanker would be well down the priority list I'd have thought.

He went on a... a h... a hol...oh, I can hardly bring myself to say it... a holiday to Europe? In his off-season break? OH THE HORROR!

Yes, I think that's a more realistic scenario. And one I'd still be stoked with.

Upgrade Clisby and find another Terlich and Jones with the picks in the 60-80s and there's your three. Given the relative age of our list and the urgency of our need to improve the midfield, I'd be quite happy to trade our first 5 picks and not pick a single 18 year old this year. If our trade period turned out as described by Demonof1994, add "wet my pants" to "do back flips".

Any danger of both? I'd do frigging back flips if we did. Instant midfield.

BBO, Lordweaver and Biffen, please stop flooding threads with inane nonsense. It's sad that I just had to delete an entire page of posts from this thread.

Exactly. And if it were me, I wouldn't want this hanging over my head for weeks, I'd want it sorted and done with as soon as possible so I could enjoy my damn holiday. Being overseas won't be a hold-up to the trade if it's happening.

We start talking to Adelaide now and have the deal ready, on the assumption that he will agree. He may have already agreed, or take calls while he as away - if I remember correctly Dawes was overseas when his trade took place. We don't have to trump GWS if he's told Adelaide he wants to sign with us. The only way it becomes a competition with GWS is if he's said he'd be equally open to a trade to either club.

He'd have to also want to go to Essendon, of course. If Vince indicates to Adelaide that he wants to be traded to Melbourne, I really doubt Adelaide would try and hold us to ransom over two or three places in the draft.

Exactly how I remember it, too. My rank amateur psychological assessment says it must created a decent psychological barrier, because he was never able to consistently produce like that again. That says, he was a decent player who copped (and cops) more criticism than he deserves I think. He's probably a victim of his own form from 2000-2005.