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Don't understand why they'd elevate him when they don't have to; he could have a second year on the rookie list before they had to make the call and surely there's still sufficient doubt over whether he'll be a best 22 player for them.

Can't believe you forgot Paul Johnson.

I just spat coffee on my screen. I really, really hope we pick Swallow up and I'm prepared to pay a good price, but he ain't gonna be the best player of all time.

I'm not upset with Bluey's comment, I just thought it was moronic. There's a difference.

Wtf, why are we mentioning Travis in the same breath as Robbie Flower? Travis was borderline AFL for his first four seasons, it wasn't until 2002 - his fifth season - that he pulled his finger out. Travis was lazy and set low standards for himself, I've got no doubt that Toumpas will be a more consistent player than Travis. If anything at all, the only reason Travis may belong in this conversation is to prove that sometimes really talented kids take a while and that's why we shouldn't write them off early, as that was definitely true for Johnstone.

Said it before, he's a deep thinking, emotional kid who places a lot of pressure on himself, so will be more affected by confidence swings than most. He looked a player who felt he didn't belong for much of the season. I expect he will absolutely flourish under a coach who connects with his players as Roos does.

You're doing it wrong, you're not supposed to quash the rumours! (Thanks for the info.)

Me too Billy. That post was a smorgasbord of embarrassment.

The worst of all hiding to nothing roles. Best of luck to him if he gets the gig; reckon he'll need it.

It's a highlight clip at the end of the day. Attitude is more than just how he ran in one piece of play, it's about how he does it consistently, how he trains, how he reacts to criticism, whether he listens to instructions and so forth. And for those couple of good games he played for us, he played a number of absolutely wretched ones, including his one and only game in 2012.

I can't fairly vote because I've never seen Aish play, but of the existing players I'd choose Swallow.

Probably could've began and ended the thread with that, old dee. You are spot on.

I think the fact that we ended up with Pedersen on the list is a whole separate disaster. With my Harry Hindsight hat on I'd have preferred it if we'd just delisted Gysberts and ended up with neither of them on the list.

Nakor is an Isalani "trickster", who is referenced in passing in the Riftwar series, but first appears as a character in the Serpentwar series (I think?). He's a character all the way through and dies in the series before the last one. Umm. *Way* off topic. We could take it to a thread in the general forum?

Must have been screwed over by Scott too, I suppose?

He played a couple of good games in 4 seasons on an AFL list. Amazeballs.

It would be beyond stupid to take him back. North have given up after one year and when he was here there were all sorts of questions about his work ethic and attitude. That tells the whole story pretty well I think.

Wha, there was a ODI series on? I switched off literally the minute the last Test finished.

You can target more than one type of player at once.

Since you seem to know all about it, how does that figure stack up compared to what we're paying the rest of our players, and our position on the salary cap(/floor)?

It's a community that means something to some people. Doesn't mean anything personally to you - fine. I for one would be pretty pissed if Andy and Jack were tricked in to handing over the keys to Demonland to some fruitloop who saw my patronage of this site as some means to some crazy end after a decade of contributing to the site.

Ask yourself the question: if you were Paul Chapman and you thought you were still capable of playing, would *you* leave Geelong to play for Melbourne? I know Roos has pull, but I doubt he's going to shake loose any elite players from the best sides unless they've got serious question marks, or they're after monster cash. Chapman will retire a one-club player.

Salary cap pressure never squeezes out first string midfielders. It squeezes out Blake Caracella, Justin Blumfield and *cough* Chris Heffernan. If you're really lucky you might shake out a player like Craig Bird, but honestly I can't see the Swans having that much of a problem with the cap. Enough work goes in to salary cap management these days that clubs almost never back themselves in a corner with unsustainable large contracts.

I conceded a long time ago that I have SFA knowledge about footy, but this would just confirm it. I have no idea what Jolly adds at this stage of his career. I can't see Jamar being traded for anything worthwhile and I can't see why we'd want to carry two ruckman whose best are a *long* way behind them. If it's coaching we're after, hire a coach. Don't hire a ruckman who no longer seems capable of playing a complete season of AFL footy. In Roos we trust, I guess.

Great story. I don't even care whether it's true or not.