Lord Travis

Probably big names players wanting out. Petraccas manager sat down with the club recently. Wouldn’t be surprised if he wants out. Brayshaw has looked unhappy all year. Wouldn’t be surprised if he requests a trade to WA to be with his two brothers at WA clubs and his family living over there. People being defensive need to realize we have had a horrible year, and coming off the back of so much promise has made it even worse. Defend the club all you want, but fact is the club is currently failing. Financially, this year will be a shocker. Onfield, well best not to talk about it and thank god for basket case expansion club saving us from yet another wooden spoon.

It’s a combination, but in my opinion it’s our inability to develop young talent moreso than poor drafting. We haven’t had high draft picks since 2015, so our ability to bring in elite young talent has been lessened. I think the club was right to trade in mature leaders in Lever and May to sure up our defense and have us ready to challenge, but I believe we overpaid. I still think we’re poor at developing players. I’d argue the ones who have thrived like Oliver would have thrived regardless of environment due to their skill set and natural drive. Others such as Weideman, Petracca etc are still yet to realize their potential. I think our inability to develop young talent goes back to the mid 2000s. We’ve had more high draft picks than nearly every club and are still barely able to develop any guns from all that elite young talent. I truly believe if players like Watts, Sylvia, Petracca were drafted to a stronger club like Hawthorn or Geelong from the start of their careers that they’d have become the superstars they promised to be. Like at Worpel as an example. Drafted later than expected by Hawthorn, now in his second year and he’s already become a better midfielder than any we’ve had for a decade bar Clarry. He’s been developed well after only showing glimpses to start his career. We can’t seem to get our young players to get past the showing glimpses phase into fully performing consistent players. I’m not sure what the answer is, but in my eyes we need to focus more resourcing and effort into development of our young talent. Go out and poach the development staff from the strong clubs?

Realistically he can cover decent ground and can hit the scoreboard too, so he’s not the worst option. Just wouldn’t give up much for him. Token 4th round would be fine for depth.

Throw sh*t at the wall until it sticks.

One of my highlights for 2018 was when he got buried by Jetta when we played them. Powell Pepper had been mouthing off all game, despite not doing anything. He got then ball, tried a don’t argue on Nev Jetta, and was absolutely buried into the turf with a crunching tackle that left him acting like a scolding dog with its tail between its legs. Top 5 2018 moments for me. Powell Pepper is a legit faux tough guy and average footballer.

Big no from me. He’s an average inside midfielder with a real arrogant streak that he can’t back up. Poor kick, average pace, average ball winner. He’s essentially a bulkier, slower, worse version of Harmes. He’s exactly what we don’t need. He’s suit a team like Essendon who are desperate for inside midfielders. For us, he’d be depth at best and would be worth a fourth rounder or avoid.

Get him a fourth rounder and I’m all for it.

Says more about how broken and lost the club is that we can bring in some of the most proven leaders in Roos and Lewis and still be in disarray. Anyway, congrats Jordan on a brilliant career. I hated you as a Hawk, but appreciate that you chose to come to us, and what you brought to our club. You’ve had a better career than any Demon since the 1950s and IMO could become a successful coach.

I was the one who initiated the Ben King thought train back in the trade+draft thread. I still think if we lose Anderson, aka pick 2 gets pushed back to pick 3 due to GC gaining a PP st start of first round, then we attempt to trade pick 3 directly for King. We’d get a decade out of him as a quality KPF. It’s fill one of our biggest holes.

Target Langdon. Much better value financially, cheaper trade option, and 3-4 years younger too. No to Hill, especially at 900k! That’s superstar money, and he’s no superstar, just a good outside player.

Yes. Max is the only one showing any passion for the club. He’s the only one who is giving 100% out there and the only one around the ball trying to organize and inspire his team mates. He’s developed his leadership skills immensely this year. Neither Viney or Jones are natural leaders. Lead by example at times, but neither organize the players and constantly fight for the jumper. Both of them have walked away from on ground conflict this year. A good example was when Max got put down by the opposition in round 1. Viney was right there and just walked off. Harmes was the only one who showed any ounce of fight or comradery. Jones has been the same. Neither should be official on field leaders at our club moving forward. If either are, then we’re not progressing.

Langdon was great again this round. 37 disposals (24 kicks) at 73% efficiency and a huge 852 metres gained (most of any player this round thus far). At this rate he's going to cost us more than originally planned!

I don’t think Brisbane will go all the way, but they have the second youngest list and are top of the ladder. We were similar last year, though not as good as them. Their list is more balanced than ours and they play a better and more modern game style than us. Fagan has done a great job building belief and synergy with that young group. Age is not an excuse and we need to stop accepting it as an excuse. We’ve been hearing it for over a decade now from us and other poor clubs. Clubs need to cut the crap, man up and admit they’re not good enough. You can’t fix something you don’t acknowledge as a problem. So acknowledge it and then make some proper changes to improve. Goodwin saying no wholesale changes needed, just work hard, is a pathetic message to the players and supporters and shows a lack of understanding and ownership.

Can we just forfeit? Literally nothing to play for, win or lose our finishing position is the same. I’m just hoping we don’t get more injuries!

And yet Brisbane are sitting on top of the ladder with the second youngest list. I agree age and experience is obviously a factor, but it’s not an excuse.

He’s usually got good disposal. He has always been poor defensively. Coaches look to go through his man when he plays in the backline, because he is a legitimate liability defensively. It’s not that he doesn’t go or put husbands body on the line, he just usually loses one on ones when he needs to kill a contest. Last night was standard Salem defensively, but unfortunately his disposal was unusually poor so his poor game stands out more.

Not sure if they'd let Whitfield go whatwhatsaywhat. He'd be a great get though. He's pure class on the outside! It's embarrassing how much talent GWS has in their midfield compared to ours ? Imagine having losing Treloar, Adams, Shiel, and Coniglio... and still having Kelly, Ward, Taranto, Hopper, Whitfield, Williams, Caldwell etc coming through. They've really been given an insane amount of concessions compared to Gold Coast. We could only dream of having as much talent in our midfield as they've got/had. I really don't understand why we're not having a serious crack at Coniglio. He's an grade midfielder who is a free agent so cost us nothing in terms of picks. We should be throwing the kitchen sink at him. The only reason we wouldn't is because we [censored] up out salary cap payments and don't have money to go get him.

Tanking. Spargo in at the expense of Hunt is a laugh. Rookie lister Chandler to debut off average vfl form. Best of luck to him, but he hardly banged the door down.

Could be our new AVB! ? He’s going to GWS through academy though, so he’s not an option. As a pure inside ball winner too he’s not really what we need from a list balance perspective.

Langdon is one of the better wingman/outside runners in the game. He’s headed for his second consecutive top 5 in a BnF. He’ll be a big asset to us for the next 7-8 seasons. He’s worth pick 20 and that should be the trade. It’s one of the simplest trades in recent memory. What we have available is pretty much his exact value.

As a player it would be awesome training with your team all summer only to be traded on the eve of season commencing! Another brilliant idea from the AFL! *sarcasm meter has exploded*

This years second round pick. Done deal.

Darcy Fogarty just kicked 5 goals against the Eagles. As I posted a week or two ago here, he should definitely be targeted as a forward marking and goal kicking option. Aggressive, strong, clunks marks, kicks straight, he’s got everything we need as a forward target.

Garry is 100% right in his negative assessment of us. This thread is a shambles. Mods close it down.

Rubbish game. Scoreboard flattered us as we kicked some junktime goals after not giving a yelp for 2.5 quarters. May injured again. Lever destroyed by Mihochek, he’s no good one on one unfortunately. Those two big trades have set us back big time. Looks like another rebuild looms. We need to hit the top end of the draft hard again to get more young talent in.