Lord Travis

Same for Lever being rushed back after low vfl minutes, and Smith being forced to play out a pointless preseason game when injured and being written off for the year. The club’s player management this season has been appalling and the worst I can remember from an afl club.

Because we’re looking for cheap options to help fix our forward line, whilst retaining high draft picks to bring in elite young talent. But yep, let’s give up pick 2 for Ben Brown ?

He’s played mostly in defense this year, so the goals tally is pointless. He’s a first round pick who’s only 20 and is an aggressive marking forward. IMO he’s definitely worth looking at if he doesn’t cost much and wants to come to VIC.

It’s a fair point. After a lackluster start to the season, Trac has been good the past two months or so. He’s really be our only player in the forward line who can say they’ve won their position and contributed. I still expect more from him in the future, but he’s definitely improved this year and continues to trend upwards (set shots aside).

Ellis was a damaging player a few years ago when zones defenses were all the rage and there was more space to work with. 6-6-6 has made the game more one on one and slower, and negated his natural game as there’s usually now a man right on him now. He doesn’t suit the current rules and gamestyles , but if zones made a comeback he’d flourish again. Definitely worth interest if the price isn’t too high. Provides run and pace.

100% this. Anyone who disagrees is an apologist who accepts mediocrity. The Lever trade was poor at the time, and has gotten worse with hindsight. Paying two first round picks for an out of contract player was stupid. We had the leverage in that situation, as he was out of contract, and we still buckled and overpaid. It was weak, and consistent with our club being weak for the past 50+ years. By not drafting anyone in the first round for 4 years now, we’ve effectively unbalanced the list to load up for a premiership tilt. We failed. We now need to hit the draft hard to rebalance and stay competitive. If that means trading established players to get more higher picks, then so be it. We’ve been weak at the trade table for too long. Time to play hardball.

Darcy Fogarty will likely want out of Adelaide. Looked like a strong and aggressive mid sized marking forward in his first season, but unable to cement a place in the team this year. I’d be targeting him to improve our forward line.

Anderson is a good kick, good decision maker, good mark, hits the scoreboard regularly, plays mid or forward, smaller than Bont at 189cm but has more of a burst of pace. Match winner. Stands up in big moments when game is on the line. Very exciting prospect and I’ve been super keen on him all year! Rowell safe bet but lower ceiling, similar to Sam Walsh but more inside. Certain to be a good player, but unlikely to be great.

Agreed. The club has destroyed the momentum it’s built over the past few years and set itself back off field yet again. We could’ve hit 60,000 members next year if we didn’t [censored] the bed. Instead we’ll drop back towards 40,000 as hope is destroyed yet again. This match will be ugly to watch, and a convincing win to the Tigers with everything to play for in a top 4 spot. All we can hope for is no injuries at this point.

15 inside 50s in a row to Saints now when the game is on the line. That’s pathetic effort from us. Our defensive structures and transition is diabolical. I’m convinced now that Goodwin needs to go. He’s been outcoached yet again with Saints able to isolate players etc. shocking coaching effort and the take of his coaching career thus far.

Looks like Saints are running away with it here. They’re dominating play. Yet again we are let down by poor onfield leadership.

I’m heading out for a nice dinner instead of going to the game. I’ve never felt this apathetic about the club, even during the Neeld years. This year is a pathetic mess. I hope those that attend the match tonight get to enjoy themselves and watch a win, but it’s unlikely. Silver lining is even if we win, we’ll still be behind Carlton and could get Noah Anderson with pick 2!

Right so we’re a game behind a failed Carlton who sacked their coach. Only Melbourne could fall this low. [censored] hell.

Would definitely take him for the right price and either play him as a small forward or groom him as a small defender to be our back pocket post-Jetta. If it was 3rd round is definitely do it. 2nd round would be too much considering he’s not proven like say Melksham and Hibbert were, and Langdon and Hill are.

Seems like a great get for the club. Hopefully we have a strong preseason and see positive results next year.

No. He was the last elite talent we drafted, and that was 4 years ago. As I said, we haven’t drafted any elite talent since. We traded for some, and overpaid to our detriment in the process. We now have gaps in our list as a result.

Years ago we traded away pick 2 and missed Josh Kelly. If we do the same this year, history will repeat as Anderson is every bit as naturally gifted as Kelly. Do we really want to make that same mistake? No offense to Salem, but I’d rather a crack at a potential superstar than a average-good player again. Our list needs more young elite talent. We haven’t draft any elite young talent for 4 years now, they’ve all been battlers and role players.

I’ll be furious if we finish second last, but GC get awarded priority pick and we then miss out on Anderson at pick 2. Would be a very MFC thing to occur. Looking at our fixture, we’ll finish second last now. It’s a [censored] embarrassment and a pathetic effort for us to free fall to the bottom of the ladder. If we’re not competitive again next season then Goodwin definitely gets the chop. The only silver lining of this disastrous season is we can finish with pick 2 and draft Anderson. He looks a special talent and exactly what we need.

We have to use a first round pick this year. The only way we are allowed to trade pick 2 is if we get back another first round pick and use that at draft instead. It will be refreshing to see us drafting in the first round again. Last time we did was 2015 for Clarry and Weed, and our list has become unbalanced as a result.

This came to light over the past month. He's going to Freo if he’s good enough to make an AFL list. Mods merge this with existing Kobe thread.

Except Steven May recently, and he was chastised publicly for it. Personally I think it was the best evidence of a player with natural leadership skills since the Neitz days. Our onfield leadership is one of our biggest issues, and it doesn’t appear like changing anytime soon. We need to build around Lever and May in this regard, as they’re clearly the best onfield leaders at the club.

Does anyone have any intel on some tall forward smokies? It’s a clear gap in our list, but it’s also a poor draft for tall forwards it seems.

Righto put your [censored] away fellas and get back to talking about the forwards we need to draft.

Think Weightman is a better prospect if he’s available. 177cm, has pace, has good leap and mark for a small, can crumb well, kicked bags of 4 goals back to back matches in the championships too. He’s a specialist small forward. He’s projected to go around pick 20, so is the perfect target for our second round pick IMO.

Weightman is looking likely to be around early 2nd rounder. Small forward who’s lively, quick, decent leap, kicked two consecutive bags of 4 goals at the championships. He’d be a good addition to our forward 50.