Rod Grinter Riot Squad

That is just not true. Both Gysberts and Cook were first round draft picks that were not expected to go where they eventually went.

No, it doesn't

I am a passionate Demons fan. Don't expect me to be logical or rational

Have always had a deep grudge for Lachie, always blamed him for screwing up the draft order that led to us changing our mind and not getting O.W.

Has been a highly credible rumour for a long time.

A first time poster on big footy..... Some people need to take a deep breath. Plus, I though Saty was Nev's best mate

No you are missing the point.Watts played 20 games, so he must be in the top 22. Watts finished 18th in the b&f, so he must be 22. Watts was dropped in round 23, but that's not relevant as Stuie knows more than the coaching staff. Simple enough? Or should I say, simpleton enough?

Dropped for last game. That's called a fact.

Surely you are not serious

A simple question was asked, is he best 22. Love all the provisos coming thick and fast

So first it is at any given time. Well the logical example of any given time would be the last game. Jack wasn't best 22. Next you say over the season, thus over a period of time. Please don't claim to deal in logic and facts...

"Take your useless emotion out of it and realize what is actually being said."

How is this for logic... Dropped from the best 22 for the final round despite the fact that we had a number of players who would normally be walk up starts out injured.

It was deleted for a reason. It was very racist (the last line), you can PM me if you want to discuss it further.

Legendary around here? Full of .... much? Jack is on the record as saying some of his efforts in the past are pathetic and embarrassing, yet according to you, fans can't make similar comments. Yet I am the righteous one? What a joke you are.

Henrietta, your earlier post was disgraceful. WJ was right to delete it, wrong to not boot you off the site.

Jack's seeming unwillingness to put his body on the line, or to put it another way, his softness is not denigrating his character, but critiquing his package as a footballer. If Jack gets upset because of what fans say, he shouldn't read the forums. That or toughen up, as he gets paid ridiculously well paid to do a job he supposedly loves, yet he himself admitted this season that he has watched some of his efforts on the replay and felt embarrassed by his 'effort'. If Jack wants to change how he is seen, he knows what to do, he has told us many times. He needs to walk the walk. That supporters like you think that his efforts in his career have been acceptable, says more about you than those that criticise him.

Why? Replace like for like

I really don't get how anyone who has watched JW over his career could seriously tell us not to doubt his courage. His lack of it is why he has had such an ordinary career so far.

Mitch Clarke was going to Freo, everyone knew it for a year. Fact. Buddy was off to GWS, everyone knew it for a year. Fact.

Pies want Aish and Treloar. We should make them have to pay out the nose. Personally I don't give a rats clacker about where Treloar wants to go, GWS can either play hardball or bend over and take it like Brisbane did. Put an offer on the table that would be hard for the Pies to match for Treloar (haven't seen much of Aish, but hell, do the same for him too if he is good enough). Make it so GWS turn to Treloar and say you go to the Demons or the PSD. Screw sitting back and letting these young punks pick and choose who they play for, get in there and do what we can to either get the kids that we want or seriously screw with the clubs that want them.

Must this turn into a thread about the simple minded fools who pathetically booed every touch from Goodes this year. Yeah Adam did many sniper like acts on field and dived like a North player at other times, but the booing had nothing to do with that.

Personally, I would chase Howe over Dixon if I was another club

I find this hard to believe, would love to have him. Keep checking who started this thread as it just seems like a Hogan's Heros thread....

A legend of the game, plain and simple. I have a high opinion of his behaviour off field, he has said many uncomfortable truths and applaud him for that. He has though, despite his brilliance, often been an out and out [censored] on the field. Even in his last game, the way he lashed out at Scott (another [censored]) Thompson with his studs up was a terrible act and below his standing as a legend.