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For reasons i cant quite fathom.. ( its stopping me going to bed as its doing my little sconce in!! lol ) this is something that is really a lot lot more than meets the eye. The more I think about it the more I think this is a very cleverly disguised backhander directed towards Judd and Connors. On one hand it strikes me that MFc are playin gclever buggers with very ( to me ) tongue in cheek sarcasm , supposedly self effacing but it really reads to me like... WHO THE F**K DO YOU THINK YOU GUYS ARE !!.. poor poor lil us..we're so glad you even talked to us etc !! smacks a lil of Get effed with a smile !! Motive.. for supposed declinig Deeland.. facilities !! ffs.. and drivng around to training...wtf !! .. If this was mentioned to CAC ..and I see no reason for Harris to lie..in fact I see every reason for him to quote verbatim, then Harris is exposing the Juddernaut express for exactly what it is..without saying a nasty word !! I notice neither Connors nor Guddless denying it . As pointed out elsewhere.. Either Harris is lying..and by stating what he has on the website he opens himself and club up for legal challenges as well as ridicule, but only if he's lying !! This is not people a very straight forward game. For the moment I wont dismiss Harris's stance or comments as derogatory towards us, in fact if anything Its like a clever angler.. just letting the line out a bit. I could be wrong.. ( we all know that!! lol ) but this little side episode isnt over yet!! This game is being played down the boundary in the pockets.....not through the corridor !! more smoke and mirrors to follow I'm sure

tucked away in an "Australian" article "Melbourne believes that it will satisfy Adelaide next week and secure 21-year-old ruckman John Meesen from the Crows. "He wants to come to Melbourne and will either get him in the pre-season draft or for a third-round selection during trade week, it's up to Adelaide," Cameron said." so he's not exactly costing an arm or leg !! good !!

how are we going with renaming it Trade-mania ?? B)

If I was Ryan Lonie I'd be geting very nervous !! lol

Is it just me ...or is it strangely co-incidental that Robbo re-signs on the day his manager informs us of Judds intent. There something not right about much of today !! <_< i really hope we not being played as total fools

Rule #1.. Nothing shall ever benefit Collingwood Rule #2.. Consider everything in light of rule 1 id rather he went to carlton...he can join Stevens on the scrap heap that is carlton !!

Well its certainly not over by a long shot.. the West is about to all but declare war on Filthville. Ought to make an interesting spectactor occasion !! :D

From what we mainly gather here it is a Statement reflecting what was sent to us ( MFC ). There is no point in lying or misrepresenting it as it would only be refuted. The words.."to be fair " and Chris Judd " need to be very carefully used when occupying the same sentence !! <_<

Melbournes facilites etc are well known.. very Public knowledge ( bordering on ridicule ) . If this was a deal breaker.. hy evenput us on short list.. Clearly something doesnt jell. I sincerly thought he was of good character & moral fibre.. Bloody hell Bub...you've fcuked up again !!!

sorry was that out with K-Fed..or F-cuk ??

Hope Eddie has a job for Twiggy.. think she's just fallen off the 7-wagon !! lol

fear not fine folk...the kharma faeiries will take care of all !! What goes around comes around !!!

Halloween !! the start of the new Demonic year.!! if nothing else Bailey has a good sense of humour...hehehe

got it in a flash !! lol

its a joke isnt it.. must have been done by a consultant group of 10 kindergarten kids !! would have hoped for something a little more.. well.. anything !! lol Underwhelming doesnt quite do justice !!

I wasnt really goinngto worry too much about all this Judd stuff now...but I think youre on to something !! Judd is managed by Connors who would know perfectly well what Melbournes situation is/was . I dont buy any of this facilites cr@p. I dont for one minute think there was ever an issue with Judd picking whats betst for Judd..id be surprised really if anything else.. we would all ( for the main ) be looking after ourselves..so its not an issue either. But youre right XoB...all is defintely not what it seems !!

with all due respect Brocky none of us know what he wrote in that letter..or its context.. so what does it really matter. the issue of training facilities to me is a non issue .. his manager would have fully known our position, so its inclusion anywhere is bemusing I concede. He has his own reasons... what does it really matter..really ?? im not insulted.. i dont really give a rats.. all over red rover...next

it might be just me.. but the one thig thats very hard to intimate in the written word is sarcasm.. To me that read as a whole [censored] take on the event. He wasnt being self effacing..he was "MOCKING" self effacing. read it again peopel.. rid yourselves of any contempt...just read it. maybe just me again.. I think its quite funny.

So.... the Judd (waiting ) is dead.... LONG LIVE THE CLUB !! This is not another Judd thread though his name may crop up from time to time Im sure. Football and by asociation the MFC is far bigger and more complex than one person. More than one person went into the Cats Premiership win. Indeed more than one event was necessary to get them there.. In many ways a football club is typicall greater than the sum of its parts. There are the players, the Coaches, the Board and Staff. There are its physical assetts, its home and facilities and there are the intangibles. The spirit, the traditions, its supporters ( for some clubs even their detractors ) and probably the most important aspect of any person, club , business , institution or purpose driven pursuit .... , it's Mentality !! i.e How it sees itself in its environment and how it chooses to interact. A typical mentality of the long suffering Demon supporter seems to be associated with such thoughts as: If only we hadnt had so many injuries If only we had a better draw If only we had a better coach If only we had a better ( insert playing position of choice ) and now possibly add to the list If only we had better training facilities !! a lot of IF's there !! nature provides for a balance and so it does with IF's They are called BUT's. A way of using the buts is to revisit each of the above and really question whther that in itself ought to result in failure ? Or is it just a comfortable and easy cop out. An easy fallback. Yeah Yeah.,,,we would have been in it IF only !! All these things that might, could and indeed on a good day be fixed arent what will stop a Melbourne from gaining a flag, it is the mentality that youre somehow a victim from even before the first bounce as a result of this. You achieve by simply first of all firmly describing what it is you want to achieve. Sounds simple, strangley many dont or do so in a very airy fairy way that it becomes again easy to not accomplish because there's no measure of what you have or have not done. You achieve by coalescing the required attributes , skills,personnel and experience together with a clear set plan. In football the goal is quite simple...it's Premierships and a continuing successful club. This will be had ; not by an inclusion of 'one' person; whehter this person is player, coach , board member , financier etc. but by a Plan. I think that Plan is already here. We are seeing a changing atmosphere and perception of where the club is and what it can do. The Plan is already reaping benefits as some of those things on the "IF" list are changing. The PLAN isnt about accomplishing one or two aspects..... Oh such and such is amongst the run ons..all is good. or a different tactic or attitude is now directig the charges..all is saved etc.; as it all come s back to the overall mentality. A simplistic form is the classic Glass is half full or half empty etc etc. But in reality it I think is more about simply acknowlwedging that there is a glass..and its filled to some point other and that it is up to YOU to decide what you want to do abou t it and how you feel its impacting. Melbourne and again by association its supporters have I think been miserable failures and soft thinkig folk for many decades. Some facts speak for themselves, others are perceptions from the outside. Melbourne for a long while adopted not hte Demon as its mascot but abject failure and somehow embraced this as comforting. Am I alone in thinking this has changed and that the VICTIM image is being dispensed with and a quiet but steadfast DEMON looms. I see some of the threads today and see many of the victim's torment reappear. Encouragingly enough I see as much if not more of the 'life goes on, deal with it, embrace its oportunities " To those who mourn something that didnt exist, doesnt exist, wont exist.. get over it, get over yourself..and more importantly get over here... where's here ? its HERE of course..the HERE and NOW.. that which precedes the future , if only momentarily. The future of Melbourne is bright, its happening. There's a plan and it doesnt embrace victims. Dont be one !! Go Dees 2008...cant wait !!

Oh FFS people get over yourselves.. its just one player...not the Mesiah..just a norty boy who has his own agenda.. HIS.. he's entitled to it. one player was never going to be the be all and end all of the Demons. Nice if he came.. not end of world if he doesnt. He's going elsewhere... where ? doesnt really matter... He will simply be part of an oppsition team. !! On any given day there's 22 of them.. so what !! I have my views on other aspects..and might go into them another time.. but in the great washup...as Ned said..Such is life.. now all move along...nothing to see here !! ( not anymore...lol ) Im funnily relieved..

would make a little more sense though if it wasnt Jolly.. all food for thought

Sheahan doesn t KNOW where Judds going.. just suspects in his "logic' thats that where he'd proably go

bloody hell...glad I took the kids to the movies and missed all this.... probably have had a coronary !! lol so many solid ( as jelly ) 'inside words"...and yet nothing really. All we can possibly take out of all this so far is Clubs willing to deal: Adelaide WCE Melbourne Sydney Doggies possibly StKilda Players needing to visit the post office for mail forwarding : Judd ...obviously Meeson, so it seems Jolly Trapper Robbo ( possibly ) Frawley and Miller well somethign I take solace in out of all this is that any team might think Miller has trade value...thats a big plus for us. have no probs with Jolly coming back..after all we didnt get rid of him ..he wanted game time. Does make you wonder where Meeson and indeed PJ and Russian would end up. its certainly exciting .. last year bugger all happened..this year its Flinders Street all change. its going to be a very different Melbourne next year :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

hey some are that delusional they think they are getting three top 20 picks !! ...must tbe the isolation !! lol

was it written by his MUM ???