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no, martin was always going pick 1 to gc17 we were choosing btw hogan and kelly

don't forget, it was a toss-up at the time as to whether it was hogan or kelly we were taking in the mini-draft

If you were to rank the KPPs in terms of sheer quality, would Frost even be in the top half dozen btw the two clubs? Talia, Lever, T Mac, O Mac, Kelly, Keath, Frost, Hartigan, Garland, Keilty, Dear... If Frost was the make weight to get the deal done, I'd take it in a heartbeat

from a crows mate - apparently the wobbles have been told the same as dogs

H is for Hansen...not Heritier... Sheahan was bang on the money about Lewis leaving the Hawks, and was pilloried before it came out as true Here's hoping he's on the money re Lever too

brad hardie?

saints will have to pay up big to keep him had his break out year in the 'right' season

lewis is a ripper how anyone can i question is worth i cannot fathom

apparently it was the 'rule of the week' - no straight arm fending off in the ruck contests apparently roughead got pinged for it a few times for footscray too

i imagine our so-called 'war chest' will go towards ensuring the likes of gawn, hogan, hunt, t mac, petracca, oliver go nowhere

It really doesn't ANB would have minimal value

the stories about how stinger did that falling thru the glass door are legendary same with jako and how he did his back in

What's the general consensus on the notion of Hogan of being used as an asset to get Lever? I don't like it, personally, when the option is there to trade something else - I do not want to lose Hogan

I was thinking More in terms of isolation over that last thirty years, so Robbie in his final year, Wilson in his twilight etc McLean at his best - for about half a glorious season - was phenomenal

well, it's 30 years since 87, i'd say since then our best mids have been, in order of what i think of as 'eras' of football before our current captain became our best mid: - robbie - brian wilson - todd viney - stephen stretch - sugar healy - glenn lovett - stephen tingay - andrew obst - kevin dyson - andrew leoncelli - shane woewodin - cam bruce - stephen powell - travis johnstone - james mcdonald - brent moloney - brock mclean i think that oliver can be significantly better than all of them

We play a zone defence; we're not likely to recruit a gorilla tamer - I don't think it would suit the game plan as it stands If are are able to get Lever plus hold onto Frost and the Macs, our defence will be built around closing down space and interception I think if we are fortunate enough to get Lever we are ensuring that T Mac will play forward on a more permanent basis, but he can be thrown back if required So the backline will be formed out of three 'bigs' in Lever, Frost, and O Mac, then the interception and rebound of Jetta, Hibberd and Hunt (plus Lever who also adds excellent rebound kicking to his defensive responsibilities) plus the rotation of Vince, Lewis, Jones, ANB and I think probably Brayshaw and I am seriously excited about our defence It's more about what we have to give up from the midfield / forward structure that will see how our game plan is effected with the addition of Lever It's why I am totally unopposed to giving up 17 and 18 first round picks - ideally getting something 'back' from Adelaide (say, 2018 second round pick) I am REALLY excited about the idea of getting Lever, But not sure why this thread isn't just part of the general Lever discussion...

genuine freak, will become one of the best midfielders melbourne has ever had

from a crows' supporting mate who is increasingly concerned they're losing lever, mcgovern and cameron at the end of the year:

crows will demand a seriously good player and a first round pick if a club isn't prepared to give up two good players lever will be one of the best key defenders in the competition for the next decade

it would be tricky to se it happen; you'd think dogs would see tippett primarily as a ruck who can play forward in rotation with boyd and to a lesser degree roughead could easily be more complicated that just dees, dogs, and swans involved - given that both melbourne and footscray are being discussed with regards to lever, you'd think he'd be part of any trade that also saw jones, tippett and 'something else' moved around

The advantage of Tippett is that you can make the Swans pay the majority of his salary The disadvantage for Tippett is that he's still Tippett...at his best a seriously good player and at his worst not quite as bad as Vickery...not quite

lever is all class; easily worth two first rounders will in the conversation as the best defender in the competition for the next decade all the word i've heard is that it's the dogs, us and the pies into him in a big way

hes going to be a superstar

i am sick to death of everyone raving about the carlton youngsters best on the weekend were, according to the esteemed judges at afl.com.au: Kreuzer, Gibbs, Murphy, Curnow, Docherty, Casboult, Kerridge other than curnow and docherty, not one is 23 and under their youth is talented, but their senior players remain their best players that carlton are so low on the ladder for the last several years is an indictment upon these senior players; the likes of kreuzer, gibbs and murphy are absolutely brilliant footballers and should be leading the blues much better than they have been

blues are also chasing hopper, big time everyone will it was absurd that he was part of their academy; the kid basically lived in ballarat from the age of 12 onwards, and leeton is closer to melbourne than it is sydney for goodness' sake the zone that gw$ has access to is far, far too large